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    It would appear Mr. Romney is no dummy:
    Damning stuff in a GOP primary...


    Anybody catch Christie's speech?



    Pretty good, and surprisingly independent and forward looking...


    Speeches delivered at the Reagan Library must praise President Reagan, zing Barack Obama, and assert the greatness of the United States. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie hit all those notes Tuesday night. But he also made four key assertions that are now heretical within the Republican Party, and the significance of his speech is almost entirely wrapped up in those passages of politely stated dissent.

    1. Compromise is core to politics, a necessary characteristic of good leadership, and the only way to solve problems. This is anathema to a lot of the conservative movement, who regard compromise as tantamount to selling out principle, and support candidates like Michele Bachmann precisely because of their reputation for being stubbornly uncompromising.

    2. American exceptionalism isn't a natural state of being or an inheritance -- it is something to which we aspire, and we're presently falling short. "For American exceptionalism to truly deliver hope and a sterling example to the rest of the world, it must be demonstrated, not just asserted," he said. "Unfortunately, through our own domestic political conduct of late, we have failed to live up to our own tradition of exceptionalism. Today, our role and ability to affect change has been diminished because of our own problems and our inability to effectively deal with them." Contrast that with Marco Rubio's recent speech at the Reagan Library, where American exceptionalism was cast as self-evident due to wars we'd won against Nazis and Communists, people we'd freed in decades past -- it was, Rubio said, "our legacy as a people."

    3. Americans should care what foreigners think of us. The world is watching when our politics is mired in dysfunctional infighting and stubborn refusal to compromise, he noted, and "There is no better way to reinforce the likelihood that others in the world will opt for more open societies and economies than to demonstrate that our own system is working."

    4. Americans cannot remake the world in our image through force. "We certainly cannot force others to adopt our principles through coercion," he said. "Local realities count; we cannot have forced makeovers of other societies in our image. We need to limit ourselves overseas to what is in our national interest so that we can rebuild the foundations of American power here at home - foundations that need to be rebuilt in part so that we can sustain a leadership role in the world for decades to come." Does Bill Kristol still want him to run?

    What's interesting about these heresies is that none are a particularly groundbreaking insight, but all are fighting words on today's right. That's why, even though Gov. Christie isn't running for president, he warrants a place in the national public discourse. Conservatives would do well to grapple with his words.
    Favorite lines:

    Today, the biggest challenge we must meet is the one we present to ourselves. To not become a nation that places entitlement ahead of accomplishment. To not become a country that places comfortable lies ahead of difficult truths. To not become a people that thinks so little of ourselves that we demand no sacrifice from each other. We are a better people than that; and we must demand a better nation than that.
    Now, seven years later, President Obama prepares to divide our nation to achieve re-election. This is not a leadership style, this is a re-election strategy. Telling those who are scared and struggling that the only way their lives can get better is to diminish the success of others. Trying to cynically convince those who are suffering that the American economic pie is no longer a growing one that can provide more prosperity for all who work hard. Insisting that we must tax and take and demonize those who have already achieved the American Dream. That may turn out to be a good re-election strategy for President Obama, but is a demoralizing message for America. What happened to State Senator Obama? When did he decide to become one of the "dividers" he spoke of so eloquently in 2004?
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    Romney continues to kick butt and take names. He's a very smart dude. Among other things, he has refrained from the red-meat OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST stuff, instead attacking Prez 44 on a policy front, which I think is the only sane way to win.



    Also, I recognize that background music but can't place it. Was it taken from a game or something?

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    I recognise that music. What is it?

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    That's the music that "Media Matters" uses in their videos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Romney continues to kick butt and take names. He's a very smart dude. Among other things, he has refrained from the red-meat OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST stuff, instead attacking Prez 44 on a policy front, which I think is the only sane way to win.
    Reminds me of the situation in Britain with Scotland. Apparently if you are from Poland for example, you get a big discount because of EU rulings, but if you are from England, there is no such rulings because it is part of "Britain", therefore it is classed as 'same country' or similar, thus the exception can apply.
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    I like the fact that he attacks Obama on policy rather than calling him out for being a "liberal" and calling him the antichrist, but it seems to me like he's trying to feed off of the tea party hate for illegal immigrants, which is just as bad. I'm assuming that an illegal immigrant receiving in-state tuition in Texas would have to be a resident of Texas, and wouldn't be able to receive in-state tuition in another state. So his position doesn't even make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    That's the music that "Media Matters" uses in their videos.
    Huh

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    did anyone see Real Time with Bill Maher last night? he had a great bit about the GOP candidate process.

    the question is, could even Jesus Christ get on the ticket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Huh

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    Example: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201109300004


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    I know what mediamatters is, I'm just gobsmacked that they and Romney are using the same music.

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    illegal immigration is illegal. there is nothing "racist" or wrong about wanting immigrants to come to the country legally.

    A couple of my uncles who are mexican immigrants hate illegals because its a pain in the ass for legal immigrants as well as making it harder for them and they see what they did as taking a short cut to get to the US

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    The law is unenforcable without draining our treasury any more. We need a different solution than sticking to the hardline, "illegal = not tolerable" notion here. Nation of laws depends on a majority of people personally adhering to the rule of law. This isn't the case I would say.


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    What about this guy's claims: that we'd be in the money if all restrictions to labor mobility were eliminated?

    What is the greatest single class of distortions in the global economy? One contender for this title is the tightly binding constraints on emigration from poor countries. Vast numbers of people in low-income countries want to emigrate from those countries but cannot. How large are the economic losses caused by barriers to emigration? Research on this question has been distinguished by its rarity and obscurity, but the few estimates we have should make economists' jaws hit their desks. The gains to eliminating migration barriers amount to large fractions of world GDP—one or two orders of magnitude larger than the gains from dropping all remaining restrictions on international flows of goods and capital. When it comes to policies that restrict emigration, there appear to be trillion-dollar bills on the sidewalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    illegal immigration is illegal. there is nothing "racist" or wrong about wanting immigrants to come to the country legally.

    A couple of my uncles who are mexican immigrants hate illegals because its a pain in the ass for legal immigrants as well as making it harder for them and they see what they did as taking a short cut to get to the US
    I'm not saying that it's bad to want to stop illegal immigration. I'm just saying that there are those on the right wing that are vocal about the issue for no other reason than that they don't like illegal immigrants, and that Romney is trying to pander to those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Damning stuff in a GOP primary...


    Anybody catch Christie's speech?



    Pretty good, and surprisingly independent and forward looking...

    Favorite lines:
    Now, seven years later, President Obama prepares to divide our nation to achieve re-election. This is not a leadership style, this is a re-election strategy. Telling those who are scared and struggling that the only way their lives can get better is to diminish the success of others. Trying to cynically convince those who are suffering that the American economic pie is no longer a growing one that can provide more prosperity for all who work hard. Insisting that we must tax and take and demonize those who have already achieved the American Dream. That may turn out to be a good re-election strategy for President Obama, but is a demoralizing message for America. What happened to State Senator Obama? When did he decide to become one of the "dividers" he spoke of so eloquently in 2004?
    Today, the biggest challenge we must meet is the one we present to ourselves. To not become a nation that places entitlement ahead of accomplishment. To not become a country that places comfortable lies ahead of difficult truths. To not become a people that thinks so little of ourselves that we demand no sacrifice from each other. We are a better people than that; and we must demand a better nation than that.
    Awesome quotes are awesome, but what does he plan on doing about it exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Romney continues to kick butt and take names. He's a very smart dude. Among other things, he has refrained from the red-meat OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST stuff, instead attacking Prez 44 on a policy front, which I think is the only sane way to win.



    Also, I recognize that background music but can't place it. Was it taken from a game or something?
    *GASP* An actual argument? This must be the sign of one of the apocalypses!

    Anyway, that's a very good point. Illegal immigrant means, well, illegally here. Why should we then give them money for committing a crime? That's freaking stupid. We don't need to be hardasses about it, but we don't need to pull down our trousers and bend over either.

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    did anyone see Real Time with Bill Maher last night? he had a great bit about the GOP candidate process.

    the question is, could even Jesus Christ get on the ticket?

    I love hypocrisy. And Bill Maher. It's interesting how all of the funniest political commentators/satirists are liberal...

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    The law is unenforcable without draining our treasury any more. We need a different solution than sticking to the hardline, "illegal = not tolerable" notion here. Nation of laws depends on a majority of people personally adhering to the rule of law. This isn't the case I would say.
    Maybe if there was only some way to cut back on spending that encourages illegal immigrants to come to the US. Wait, that sounds familiar...

    Still, you're right. Short of a serious upgrade in, well, everything, it's impossible to control the flow of illegals as much as some people want. That doesn't mean we need to pay them money if they do come over.

    What should be done is easier green cards, I guess. I'm tired now, so Imma go to sleep. Also, I like how there's basically no news on Ron Paul in the month or so I neglected this thread.

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    I love hypocrisy. And Bill Maher. It's interesting how all of the funniest political commentators/satirists are liberal...
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    We should totally bring back an abundance of constitutional and absolute monarchies for the free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    I love hypocrisy. And Bill Maher. It's interesting how all of the funniest political commentators/satirists are liberal...
    There is no humour to be found in affirming the status quo.
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    In other news, Sarah Palin exposed her self as a scam artist. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/0...nce-territory/


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    In other news, Sarah Palin exposed her self as a scam artist. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/0...nce-territory/

    Is that one of those leadership pacs?

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    For people who love golf, the chance to play at the five-star Greenbrier resort in West Virginia is a dream come true. Especially if someone else pays for it.

    That was the case this summer for two powerful members of Congress, House Republican Minority leader John Boehner of Ohio and Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia.

    Accompanied by top corporate lobbyists , the two golf-loving Republicans spent a luxurious weekend at the Greenbrier, the kinds of cozy gatherings new ethics reform laws were supposed to curb.

    "You're seeing the quintessential Washington insider pay-to-play game," said Meredith McGehee, Policy Director at the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center.

    Many people assumed these types of outings were ended when Congress passed reforms in 2007. But those reforms didn't mention what has come to be an important source of funding for politicians: leadership political action committees, or PACs, whose money can be spent for almost any purpose, including golf.


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    House Minority Leader John Boehner's PAC... View Full Caption
    Members of Congress are supposed to use their leadership PAC funds to support other politicians. But in the 2008 election cycle, Chambliss spent more money from his PAC on golf outings, $225,000, than on donations to other political campaigns, $204,000. On Capitol Hill, his leadership PAC is known to some as a golf PAC.

    Click here to see ProPublica's database and find your congressman's leadership PAC.

    Chambliss declined to be interviewed for this story, but in a statement he said he holds the golf outings only to raise money.

    A spokesman for Boehner's PAC, The Freedom Project, also defended the spending as legitimate and said that through his PAC, he contributed "more than any other Republican in the House."

    McGehee and others call leadership PACs modern-day slush funds. Some members of Congress use them for pretty much whatever they want, including subsidizing their lifestyles and hobbies.

    In a joint report with the investigative journalism group ProPublica, ABC News found that members of Congress used leadership PAC money to pay for visits to ski resorts, casinos, Disney World and the Super Bowl. Senate Majority Harry Reid of Nevada used leadership PAC money to throw a $39,000 inaugural party. New York Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel ordered a $64,000 oil portrait of himself.

    Reid spent 53 percent of his PAC money on campaigns he was supporting. That's $1.1 million.

    Money and Mistresses

    More than 400 members of Congress now have opened their own leadership PACs, and there are virtually no limits on how they spend it, just as long as they don't spend it on their campaigns.

    Nevada Republican Sen. John Ensign's mistress was on the payroll of his Leadership PAC. And former North Carolina senator and presidential candidate John Edwards used leadership PAC money to pay his mistress $114,000 to produce a series of videos.

    More than 400 members of Congress now have opened their own leadership PACs, and there are virtually no limits on how they spend it.

    Federal Election Laws even allow members of the Congress to spend the money on themselves or their friends and families. Senate rules do not even mention leadership PACs, although hundreds of millions of dollars pour into these funds every election cycle.

    Lobbyist Jim Ervin might bristle at McGehee's use of the phrase slush fund, but he seems to agree in spirit.

    "I think that it's more than appropriate for Senator Chambliss to do whatever he wants with the leadership PAC money. Certainly I think golf is completely acceptable," he said. Ervin and two of his clients – defense contractors Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics -- put $30,000 into Chambliss' leadership PAC in the last election cycle.

    Leadership PACs give incumbents an unfair advantage because challengers typically can't raise the maximum amount of money allowed for their campaign committees, much less for a leadership PAC, said former FEC Commissioner Brad Smith."For the most part it's really kind of an incumbent racket," he said.

    The FEC disclosure forms that leadership PACs file are so cursory that lawmakers don't have to disclose who participated or contributed at a PAC fund-raiser, the day the event was held or how much money was raised.

    When Chambliss' leadership PAC ran up a $50,394 bill at the Ritz-Carlton Naples on Jan. 25, 2008, the only stated purpose was, "PAC EVENT/LODGING/BANQUET/GOLF."

    Chambliss' love of golf is so legendary in Washington political circles that he has been teased for letting golf interfere with his political and legislative business.

    In 2003, then-President Bush told a crowd at a golf fund-raiser for Chambliss that the senator had intercepted him on his way to the dais and said, "If you keep it short, we might be able to get a round of golf in."

    Chambliss also took heat for skipping a sensitive closed-door Iraq war intelligence briefing in 2005 to golf with Tiger Woods.

    Lawmakers who leave Congress sometimes keep their PACs -- or they hand them down like valuable heirlooms to their successors, with the same tight circle of lobbyists and fund-raising professionals often continuing as the core of the organization.

    Chambliss' Republican Majority Fund has been around for decades. Former Sen. Howard Baker of Tennessee controlled the PAC when he was the Senate Republican leader until 1985. He handed it off to then-Sen. Don Nickles of Oklahoma. When Nickles retired from the Senate in 2005, he handed it off to Chambliss.

    Laura Rizzo, who ran the leadership PAC for Nickles, now runs it for Chambliss. More than one-third of the PAC's expenditures during the 2008 campaign cycle -- $237,536 – was paid to Rizzo for "PAC FUNDRAISING CONSULTING."

    Nickles, whose passion for golf is as legendary as Chambliss', now has a successful lobbying practice. Nickles Group and its clients contributed $37,500 to Chambliss' Republican Majority Fund during the 2008 campaign cycle.

    Neither Nickles nor Rizzo returned calls seeking comments about their long associations with the Republican Majority Fund.

    In March, the FEC's six commissioners, three Democrats and three Republicans, sent Congress a list of legislative recommendations, including one to prohibit personal use of leadership PAC funds. Their letter went to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden, in his capacity as president of the Senate. It also was sent to members of the House and Senate committees that oversee the FEC.

    So far, the FEC has gotten no response. ProPublica left messages at the offices of the speaker, majority leader and chairmen of the two committees seeking comment, but got no replies.

    This was a joint investigation by ABC News and ProPublica - an independent, nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest. ProPublica Director of Research Lisa Schwartz and Justin Grant, ABC News, contributed to this report.


    How hard would it really be to fix those?

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    Forget Obama, the next couple of months will be a battle for the heart and soul of the GOP. I know where I stand, and it's not with the evangelicals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Is that one of those leadership pacs?
    How hard would it really be to fix those?
    At least those in your article actually ran for positions. Sarah Palin pulled the wool over everyone by asking for money, then saying, "well, I'm not running, but thanks for all the money."


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    At least those in your article actually ran for positions. Sarah Palin pulled the wool over everyone by asking for money, then saying, "well, I'm not running, but thanks for all the money."
    I don't know if you can get lower than spending it on a mistress.

    We need more on what palin spent it on...people who donated are probably happy enough to have her spend it going around the country giving speeches even if she wasn't going to run

    Basically that clip is a microcosm of how bad the daily show is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    I don't know if you can get lower than spending it on a mistress.

    We need more on what palin spent it on...people who donated are probably happy enough to have her spend it going around the country giving speeches even if she wasn't going to run

    Basically that clip is a microcosm of how bad the daily show is though.
    It was obvious that her money raising was based on the premise that at some point was was going to enter the race. Like the flyer the Daily Show presented, it asked for money so Sarah could fight the good fight. It was all key words of, "she is running for office" not "she wants to make motivational speeches". Tailing all the candidates in her bus wasn't just a coincidence, it was a planned act.

    It can get worse than spending it on a mistress. The mistress guy at least dipped into the PAC to run for re-election is what I am saying. That was Sarah's whole message, "I'm gonna run for president." And then she didn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    Anyway, that's a very good point. Illegal immigrant means, well, illegally here. Why should we then give them money for committing a crime? That's freaking stupid. We don't need to be hardasses about it, but we don't need to pull down our trousers and bend over either.
    I think you're confused about what in-state tuition means. It doesn't refer to financial aid, it just means that residents of a particular state pay less to attend a college in their home state than someone who is from another state.

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    Oh no he di'n't! Snap, snap, sister! It's ON now!


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    There are a lot of reasons not to elect me.
    He's right.
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    And Christie endorses Romney.

    http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/...tt-romney.html

    Is this the beginning of a consensus, or just an establishment consensus?

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    Oh wow - Cain just got asked who he thought was the best model for a future Fed Chairman and he cited Greenspan over Volcker. What was he thinking!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Oh wow - Cain just got asked who he thought was the best model for a future Fed Chairman and he cited Greenspan over Volcker. What was he thinking!?
    Probably that most people don't know anything about Fed chairmen.


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