'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repealed; US Military Inexplicably Continues to Fight

[Fragony]

Agreed.

Ok some are

[Lemur]

This one's for you, PJ: A major asks: Now that we have gay soldiers, what about the guys who said this move would destroy the military?

At what point in time should journalists, bloggers, etc ... hold those who made wildly inaccurate predications on the lifting of the ban accountable? All the retired generals and officers (LTG Mixon, Merrill A. McPeak and Col. Dave Bedey for example) who predicted that soldiers would leave the military by the thousands, or John McCain and other politicians describing how it would affect us as a fighting force? At some point I feel that the public should be reminded of their predictions so the next time they make predictions that are way off the mark, fewer people will give them credence.

[Vladimir]

That's a good question to ask.

I suppose it would have been more true in the 90's. The wars and the decade between when it was first proposed and now likely had an effect.

"Don't ask" was a bad policy but it did provide some adjustment time.

[PanzerJaeger]

This one's for you, PJ: A major asks: Now that we have gay soldiers, what about the guys who said this move would destroy the military?

At what point in time should journalists, bloggers, etc ... hold those who made wildly inaccurate predications on the lifting of the ban accountable? All the retired generals and officers (LTG Mixon, Merrill A. McPeak and Col. Dave Bedey for example) who predicted that soldiers would leave the military by the thousands, or John McCain and other politicians describing how it would affect us as a fighting force? At some point I feel that the public should be reminded of their predictions so the next time they make predictions that are way off the mark, fewer people will give them credence.

IIRC, most of the critics of integration went on to have successful careers in the military or politics. So, probably never.

[Major Robert Dump]

The biggest problem we are seeing now is getting the gay young'ens to realize this is not a green light to GAY IY UP.

We are getting females doing it in open bays with other females, and when we discipline them, they bring up the DADT repeal. All of this is covered in General Order 1.

Furthermore, it angers the straight females because, as one of my E-7s told me, "I want some ****, too"

Another issue that has arisen are the "Gay and Proud" kids, who are doing stuff like hanging pictures of greased men wearing ball gags and G-strings on their desks. Or talking boasterously amongst their peers about their sexual exploits.

A line has to be drawn. EO in the army is designed that it is subjective to the offended party, so if someone is offended (by ball gags, gay sex talk, women in things) then the offending party has to stop. But this will cause a snowball affect for all talk of that nature, so if a gay guy cant talk about gay exploits then it will be difficult for a striaght guy to talk about straight exploits ithout the policy coming off as hypocritical.

In short, my older soldiers who are gay have been just fine. It's the 19 and 20 year olds that have been putting up the GAY PRIDE banners, and that just ain't gonna wash

[a completely inoffensive name]

Once again, the "in your face, we are here get used to it" kind of attitude starts to backfire.

[Major Robert Dump]

They will learn pretty quickly. It will cost many of them some rank.

I can't come into work Monday morning talking about all the Vag I licked over the weekend, and neither can they.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The biggest problem we are seeing now is getting the gay young'ens to realize this is not a green light to GAY IY UP.

We are getting females doing it in open bays with other females, and when we discipline them, they bring up the DADT repeal. All of this is covered in General Order 1.

Furthermore, it angers the straight females because, as one of my E-7s told me, "I want some ****, too"

Another issue that has arisen are the "Gay and Proud" kids, who are doing stuff like hanging pictures of greased men wearing ball gags and G-strings on their desks. Or talking boasterously amongst their peers about their sexual exploits.

A line has to be drawn. EO in the army is designed that it is subjective to the offended party, so if someone is offended (by ball gags, gay sex talk, women in things) then the offending party has to stop. But this will cause a snowball affect for all talk of that nature, so if a gay guy cant talk about gay exploits then it will be difficult for a striaght guy to talk about straight exploits ithout the policy coming off as hypocritical.

In short, my older soldiers who are gay have been just fine. It's the 19 and 20 year olds that have been putting up the GAY PRIDE banners, and that just ain't gonna wash

Get the older gays to beat them with soap in socks?

[Slyspy]

I can't come into work Monday morning talking about all the Vag I licked over the weekend, and neither can they.

True enough, but maybe not in the way you mean!

[Papewaio]

The young ones will get over it straight or gay.

It could be a very good way to interview a few terror suspects if they have to sit in an office with gay porn everywhere.

"No Amenesty the gagballs are worn by the interviewer not the suspect."

"Yes they talk pretty quick particularly when the fluro silicon batons come out."

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When I first landed in Taiwan I was shocked by all the swatizkas and pink triangles. The first of course is used in temples and vegetarian restaurants the second is emergency exits from buildings.

[Major Robert Dump]

Considering the sexual habits of muslims in this part of the world, that plan would back fire.

[Vladimir]

The biggest problem we are seeing now is getting the gay young'ens to realize this is not a green light to GAY IY UP.

We are getting females doing it in open bays with other females, and when we discipline them, they bring up the DADT repeal. All of this is covered in General Order 1.

Furthermore, it angers the straight females because, as one of my E-7s told me, "I want some ****, too"

What unit is this and do I have to change my MOS to join?

[Major Robert Dump]

If you saw these particular females your mind would change quickly. Think Rosie O'Donnel meets Margeret Cho.

[Fragony]

A pity this is hijacked by professional gays if things are like that, once they insist on being a gay first and soldier second I kinda lose sympathy. The right thing to do is just not making a point out of it, gah to activists who demand too much

[Vladimir]

I suspect that there are few cases of this. Like I said, if the repeal would have happened during the debate in the 90's I suspect people would have been more passionate about it and went even crazier. Now this sounds like normal stupid human tricks.

[Major Robert Dump]

It's only a few people doing this. The vast majority are simply taking it in stride, as concerned with their work colleagues opinions and professionallism as the next guy. The military will need several years, through trial and error, to work out the hypocrisies and inconsistencies that are bound to pop up. Unfortunately some people will probably lose their jobs on both sides of the debate, and what I am most worried about as an officer is that it will become a "protected class" like the females and minorities, which adds an additional layer of ambiguity to EO complaints.

[Kekvit Irae]

Coming from military experience, Clinton's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was a very good thing, in context. You have to understand that before then gays were persecuted relentlessly. If there was ever a suspicion that you were gay, you were sent before a tribunal. With the DADT policy, as long as you didn't say or do anything overt, the law would prevent witchhunts. Like I said, in a historical context, DADT was a good thing for gays. The DADT policy can be seen as a major stepping stone to finally excepting LGBTs into the military, with the final step being the repeal.
Sadly, there are some jerks who take the repeal and abuse it for their own liking, as Major Robert Dump noted.

[Centurion1]

i have noticed an increase in eo briefs lately actually. I will say though if they take the homo eroticism out of the Army it will merely be a shell of what it once was.

[Vladimir]

i have noticed an increase in eo briefs lately actually. I will say though if they take the homo eroticism out of the Army it will merely be a shell of what it once was.

I almost thought you typed "homo erection." My bad.

Although I'm a fan of homo erectus myself.

[Kekvit Irae]

Although I'm a fan of homo erectus myself.

Personally, I'm a fan of Homo ergaster, but to each their own. :P

[Fragony]

It's only a few people doing this. The vast majority are simply taking it in stride, as concerned with their work colleagues opinions and professionallism as the next guy. The military will need several years, through trial and error, to work out the hypocrisies and inconsistencies that are bound to pop up. Unfortunately some people will probably lose their jobs on both sides of the debate, and what I am most worried about as an officer is that it will become a "protected class" like the females and minorities, which adds an additional layer of ambiguity to EO complaints.

Maybe DADT was fair enough, even if it feels wrong to me. If some are so agressively faboulous a line should indeed be drawn. I like mutual respect, quid pro quo

[Greyblades]

Personally, I'm a fan of Homo ergaster, but to each their own. :P

Homo rudolfensis has its moments.