Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[thefluffyone93]

You gais are all making a huge misteak.

Obvibiously, the one we should be lynching is Peasant Phil.

Who is a peasant these days?
COMMUNISTS.

Vote: Peasant Phil

[Erebus]

Sorry Sturm, that's incorrect, you admitted yourself that you were his lackey until you finally caught on to his plan of his rogue (detective) squadron.

I was the one to who never accepted any of ATPG offers, ever.

That's why he's had me attacked.... no less then 5 times. However the proof of my words is because of what happened on Night 6... I got attacked 3 times that night, but the more important question is who else got attacked and why.

On Night 6, Psychonaut was attacked and sent to the Hospital because he finally provided ATPG with the information he had been lying about the entire time.

Psychonaut role penetrationed ATPG on N5 to determine that he was Unaffliated wiseguy who had only been doing single attacks. With that knowledge to spread around he stopped being ATPG the Wiseguy and started his path to ATPG the don.

When did the ATPG attacks stop? OH yeah, Night 5.

Wake up Mafia, ATPG is already on the move to the top.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what is fellow Dons? Are you letting ATPG slowly syphon off your strength and kill you all off in one spectacular blow?

Oh ho ho ho ho.


You nearly had a fine speech, but here's where you completely dropped the game ball.

Firstly, they've been constantly gaining strength, not losing it. The only side to consistently lose strength is the townies who didn't want to go mafia, and the Barzini who decided they would strike first against the allies.

Secondly, are you seriously trying this argument as the side that has declared to remove all mafia via the lynch? The town appealing to the mafia using the argument I'm killing off mafia? Now I'm confused, you see, I've done what all game long, and do tell me if I'm making this up:

When an ally has been in trouble via the lynch or murder, who came up with doctor protection, offered to use the lawyer on them, or rallied votes away from them?

Yeah.... yeah, you know, this argument would work a lot better on a round where I hadn't spent the current round and the previous round sparing a mafioso, two rounds before that tossing my own body in between landlubber and the town.

And you saw how well it worked out for landlubber when he not only was ungrateful for the help but turned against me.

That's gratitude for you.

If you want to sow dissent among the allies, you'll have to do a better job than outing them and threatening to destroy them, while arguing they should kill the guy who hooked them up with their fellow Mades, wiseguys, doctors, and rogues and is actively opposing your efforts to bring them down.

Who exactly put this on the drawing board as a viable plan? I gotta know. Inquiring minds like mine wanna know.




Edit: Yes I did just pull a "Pizza the Hutt". I am sorry. It was unavoidable, my destiny, etc.

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: Riedquat

[TheLastDays]

Vote: fyremarble

The funny thing is, if Fyremarble IS a Don. He's a better mafia lynch then a townie lynch.

The mafia alliance believe they have this thing already one. What better way to prove it then to move towards the end game conditions?

To do that they need to:

A) Convince ATPG that they are the winning side and trust him 100% (probably impossible)

or

B) Remove ATPG.

and

C) "Let" the dons of the other families get lynched by town.

and

D) Plan decisive backstab attacks on the other family.

So how long does ATPG really expect to hold these strings together? Or is he already a Don of a sixth family and tricking the Mafia as he tricked the town into believing he's on all of their sides?

ATPG is planning to be Capo di Tutti Capi, but the mafia can keep going on believing he's there to help much like the town did early on.

Unless of course all the mafia WANT ATPG to win as the last Don. Then I don't really see the point of continuing as that's pretty much against the point and spirit of this game and I could have just gone and played a regular mafia game.

So what is fellow Dons? Are you letting ATPG slowly syphon off your strength and kill you all off in one spectacular blow?

Or you can be Darth Vader, pick Emperor ATPG up and throw him into the Deathstar Core. That's what he's waiting for, one of you guys to step forward and take the reigns, start the chaos. Start moving the timetable forward at a faster rate then he can handle. Before the Deathstar is fully operational.

But this is obviously a waste of text, the Dons are all ATPG lackeys too. I'm just beginning to wonder if I'm the only person in this entire game to ever have the to tell ATPG no.

So how long does ATPG really expect to hold these strings together? Or is he already a Don of a sixth family and tricking the Mafia as he tricked the town into believing he's on all of their sides?

ATPG is planning to be Capo di Tutti Capi, but the mafia can keep going on believing he's there to help much like the town did early on.

Unless of course all the mafia WANT ATPG to win as the last Don. Then I don't really see the point of continuing as that's pretty much against the point and spirit of this game and I could have just gone and played a regular mafia game.

So what is fellow Dons? Are you letting ATPG slowly syphon off your strength and kill you all off in one spectacular blow?

Or you can be Darth Vader, pick Emperor ATPG up and throw him into the Deathstar Core. That's what he's waiting for, one of you guys to step forward and take the reigns, start the chaos. Start moving the timetable forward at a faster rate then he can handle. Before the Deathstar is fully operational.

But this is obviously a waste of text, the Dons are all ATPG lackeys too. I'm just beginning to wonder if I'm the only person in this entire game to ever have the to tell ATPG no.

So what is fellow Dons? Are you letting ATPG slowly syphon off your strength and kill you all off in one spectacular blow?

...fellow Dons?

[SisterCoyote]

I am all for vote: Sturmhauke
Do I need to explain?

Yes?

I'm still curious if you've been duped into believing that Don crap or if you're just another of Pizza's lackeys. Tell me, where did you hear this falsehood?

Oh, right. Nevermind.

vote Erebus , since he apparently is a Don if I'm reading that post right.

[Riedquat]

Ehhh... what? I'm confused! Erebus is a Don? lol...

Btw Pizza, you were offering my services as lawyer without consulting me first? That is disrespectful!

[edse]

Ehhh... what? I'm confused! Erebus is a Don? lol...

vote Erebus , since he apparently is a Don if I'm reading that post right.

He clearly means the fellow dons of fyremarble

[TheLastDays]

He clearly means the fellow dons of fyremarble

Clearly? How do you reach this conclusion?

[edse]

Clearly? How do you reach this conclusion?

By reading the whole post and not that sentence alone.

[Frozen In Ice]

Yes lynch fyremarble if he is a don. Let mafia begin their slaughter of everyone opposing them. Let the Dark Side flow through you.

[autolycus]

I like fluffy's idea. vote:peasant phil

[Chaotix]

Vote: Riedquat

It is pointless to resist. Dons are not going to get lynched until we get that lawyer.

Good to know who Don Stracchi is and all, but you want to lynch him? Fuhgeddaboudit.

[Riedquat]

Vote: Riedquat

It is pointless to resist. Dons are not going to get lynched until we get that lawyer.

Lol wut?

I'm not THAT Lawyer!

[Krill]

Vote: Riedquat

[Xehh II]

Vote: Riedquat Seems like this what all the cool kids are doing these days.

[DaveShack]

So we're back on the lawyer again? Vote: Riedquat

[GamezRule]

vote: Riedquat even though the real lawyer is probably some random bloke.

[edse]

ATPG's puppets are voting for Riedquat so why are you? Believing that they suddenly want to silence their lawyer?

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at its beauty... its genius?

Millions of Fatlings just living out their lives.

Did you know that the previous Fatlington was designed to be a perfect townie world where none suffered?

Where everyone would be happy?

It was a disaster. People kept trying to become scumbags, entire groups were lost. My most trusted ally betrayed me and went communist even when town victory was assured.

Some believed that we lacked the organizational skill to create your perfect town, but I believe that as a community, townies define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect town was a dream that your cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the "town" was redesigned to this; the peak of your organization.

I say "your organization" because once we started planning for you it really became our organization which is, of course, what this is all about.

Evolution, Sturmhauke.

Evolution. Like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, sturmhauke, the future is our time.

Why, Mr. Sturmhauke? Why do you do it? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something?

For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know?

Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Sturmhauke. Vagaries of perception.

The temporary constructs of a human intellect trying desperately to justify being townie without meaning or purpose. You must be able to see it, Mr. Sturmhauke. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Sturmhauke? Why? Why do you persist?"

[Cahoma]

Can't you just say "The town is doomed, join the mafia"?

[SisterCoyote]

vote: Riedquat even though the real lawyer is probably some random bloke.

So you're saying Riedquat isn't a random bloke?

[Chaotix]

My most trusted ally betrayed me and went communist even when town victory was assured.

Ah... Good times. I remember this. Not the betrayer but... the one who sparked the betrayal.

That game was so much fun, even only for the circles of intrigue.

[Montmorency]

Hell, I don't even know. From what I can see, there are less than 10 townie stalwarts left standing.

[scottishranger]

when people say that ATPG wants to be Capo De Tutti capi, we forget that a don has to be elected by the other mades of the family. At this point I doubt anyone will elect ATPG to be a don of anything (no offense ATPG) So we must assume he is playing a different game

what intrigues me is ATPG's assertion that he can use the mafia lawyer to block other lynches? this seems like an almost super powerful role

[Montmorency]

Where did you see that? At any rate, he controls the lynch through weight of numbers. That's always the best way.

[Earthling]

when people say that ATPG wants to be Capo De Tutti capi, we forget that a don has to be elected by the other mades of the family. At this point I doubt anyone will elect ATPG to be a don of anything (no offense ATPG) So we must assume he is playing a different game

Best guess of an actual purpose is helping that Nazi or Satan cult or whatever it actually is dominate Fatlington. Pure chaos is also likely but certainly this so-called mafia alliance is not working. You have to look at the actual results of people's actions, not just what they say, but it's obvious none of these recent kills are really that useful for the mafia families. At most they got those Mades of another family three nights back and then dead inactives since then - maybe two, three active townies actually killed in the last three nights for all the effort of this mafia alliance. But the communists clearly are not the only third parties in this game, we have people like The Stranger who are something else, and none of the dead are part of another group - why is that, you think?

What do the actual mafia families have to gain by killing lurkers - nothing, but they're doing it at ATPG's request, getting guys like dcmort to waste time. As enough people have pointed out the best thing that the leading mafia families could do at this point - say Corleone or Cunnio, is to just gather up the loyalty of like 20 gangsters and wiseguys and simply kill off their rivals and the town at this point. Not kill a weird motley of inactives, basic townies or lone wiseguys, and supposed communists - they're not even hitting power roles.

So the real result of these kills being directed "on behalf of the mafia" is to allow the third party Nazis/cult and maybe even the communists to keep recruiting. That's who benefits from wasting time, from nobody dying or getting lynched, because they NEED the time to recruit. Town power roles aren't dying any faster than anytime before, no mafia family is consolidating, some of the supposed wiseguys/new gangsters that are at the core of the "mafia alliance" are the third party recruits.

As for the the lawyer, if there even is such a role, was said to have to send in the orders the night before, and probably would not have anticipated whatever leak/detective outed this Don. Of course, it's also possible the lynch stopping is not mafia-related but third party/serial killer. fyremarble is a doable lynch regardless and it's a no-brainer for an actual mafia family- they have to take out rival Dons, just do it and convince the Mades to all swing over to your side

[Montmorency]

Best guess of an actual purpose is helping that Nazi or Satan cult or whatever it actually is dominate Fatlington.

There is no such thing!

But the communists clearly are not the only third parties in this game, we have people like The Stranger who are something else, and none of the dead are part of another group - why is that, you think?

Because it doesn't exist, or else is insignificant. Why do you think Stranger is 3rd party? Still buying the whole D2 exchange?

At most they got those Mades of another family three nights back and then dead inactives since then - maybe two, three active townies actually killed in the last three nights for all the effort of this mafia alliance.

Infrequent posting does not prove inactivity. Also, many of those survived due to luck. Notice that many of those killed are recent dischargees from Mercy? Yeah. The survivors will follow in a couple nights' time.

As for the rest:

[robbiecon]

Vote: Peasant Phil, sure I can't verify for sure that Riedquat is a decent member of society. Sure I can't read, or tie my own shoelaces, but I know when a man has plenty of pressure. Whereas look at this peasant you speak of. He has naught to his name, so of course he fell in with the wrong company. He thought he could earn an easy buck running errands for the mafia, but it never continues that way, one day you're taking the big bosses laundry to be washed, next day you're kneecapping someone in a back alley with a Dillinger .41.

[Askthepizzaguy]

when people say that ATPG wants to be Capo De Tutti capi, we forget that a don has to be elected by the other mades of the family. At this point I doubt anyone will elect ATPG to be a don of anything (no offense ATPG) So we must assume he is playing a different game

I have already been given enough. My role is to plow the road.