Occupy Wall Street

[CountArach]

Meanwhile, in the Occupy Sydney shoot-off:

Defiant Occupy Sydney activists say their movement will only get stronger after a dawn police raid ended their week-long protest in Sydney's CBD.

Police were accused of using excessive force in the 5am (AEDT) raid on Sunday in which police, including officers from the riot squad, cleared Martin Place of more than 100 protesters.

Forty people were arrested, with activists claiming they were manhandled off the site with little warning from police.

The group had been at Martin Place for over eight days as part of a global campaign against corporate greed.

"At 5am ... Sydney police joined Melbourne police in stamping out protests that are peacefully occurring in 1600 cities around the world," Occupy Sydney spokesman Tim Davis Frank told reporters in Sydney.

"This movement will only get stronger because of these illegitimate actions attempting to silence us."

Another Occupy Sydney spokesman, Mark Goudkamp, said he saw police throwing punches and protesters held on the ground with bloody noses, while his own wrist was held painfully behind his back.

And here are scenes of police using excessive force in Melbourne:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's no excessive force in that video. And LOL at the guy who says they "held his wrist painfully behind his back"

[Crazed Rabbit]

There's no excessive force in that video. And LOL at the guy who says they "held his wrist painfully behind his back"

Have you ever had your wrist held behind your back in a martial arts (or what have you) grip? It's not just having a wrist held behind your back like a handcuff, it's forcing a person's body to comply through pain.

You notice how often, whenever US police are arresting someone, even non-resisting, they'll get them on the ground and put their knee on their neck? You don't think that, which is a pretty standard tactic, isn't painful?

The NYPD managed to arrest people a lot more peacefully off that bridge.

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[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, you force them to hold their hand behind their back by making it painful for them to pull it away...it seems like the standard method that they are trained to do right? Because you can't tell how the person is going to react.

And no, the brooklyn bridge stuff is about the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...YVMwg8k#t=146s


Basically, these people nigh on deliberately get arrested and struggle for all their worth and act it up because in their little world being arrested by the police is proof that they are right.

[Tellos Athenaios]

@Sasaki: The implied threat is a bit more severe than “I'm going to hold you in a rather uncomfortable position for as long as you don't cooperate”.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Yes, you force them to hold their hand behind their back by making it painful for them to pull it away...it seems like the standard method that they are trained to do right? Because you can't tell how the person is going to react.

They make it painful to be in that position, not to pull away.

Rabbit: Pain compliance is how policing has worked for a while. Get a grip man.

I don't think it's necessary against people who aren't resisting.

Edit: Police in New York state defy mayor and governor pressure to make arrests; http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...#ixzz1biu6XD00

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[Vuk]

Meanwhile, in the Occupy Sydney shoot-off:


And here are scenes of police using excessive force in Melbourne:

Excessive force? They are trying to arrest them and they are resisting. Resisting arrest is a crime you know. You have no choice in that situation but to use force to arrest them. Those police were very professional about everything. Those protesters were just making the biggest scene they could so people around the world who did not know better would see it and think "Oh noes! Tos evil polize!"
Did you see the woman acting like she was being raped? All they are doing is trying to make the police look bad.

Have you ever had your wrist held behind your back in a martial arts (or what have you) grip? It's not just having a wrist held behind your back like a handcuff, it's forcing a person's body to comply through pain.

You notice how often, whenever US police are arresting someone, even non-resisting, they'll get them on the ground and put their knee on their neck? You don't think that, which is a pretty standard tactic, isn't painful?

The NYPD managed to arrest people a lot more peacefully off that bridge.

CR

lmao Crazed Rabbit, I have seen bouncers use compliance techniques gently on people and then have the person spin around and knock them in the face. These are people who are already physically resisting. Free speech is within the law, these people are committing a crime by trashing private property after they have been continuously told to leave. They are physically resisting officers! You think an officer should risk his safety to make their arrest more comfortable? Yes, a compliance technique involves pain, but it is not for the purpose of inflicting pain, it is for the purpose of the officer's safety. If you don't like it, don't be a scumbag and resist arrest.

@Sasaki: The implied threat is a bit more severe than “I'm going to hold you in a rather uncomfortable position for as long as you don't cooperate”.

What then is the purpose Tellos? Pray tell.

They make it painful to be in that position, not to pull away.





I don't think it's necessary against people who aren't resisting.

Edit: Police in New York state defy mayor and governor pressure to make arrests; http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...#ixzz1biu6XD00

CR

They are resisting. That is why they were being arrested. They were being dragged away kicking and screaming! And even if someone seems calm, you cannot tell what they will do when you go to put the cuffs on. Better safe than sorry. I am sure a few seconds of avoidable (as in, hey, simply not breaking the law) discomfort is worth it to potentially save someone's life.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The problem with your whole argument Vuk is that the government should not be able to use force based on the reasoning that someone may resist and present a danger in the future.

these people are committing a crime by trashing private property after they have been continuously told to leave.

You don't know what you're talking about.

They are resisting. That is why they were being arrested.

So...why were they being arrested in the first place?

Because it's not the whole point of OWS is that the citizens were milked for all their money and they don't want to have the tab put on them. A problem they view as the result of an economic collapse due ot greedy bankers should be on their backs or they are hypocrites? rollie eyes indeed.

I got the impression many of them wanted more government handouts for the poor/middle class/students/whichever demographic they belonged to. I guess that's part of the whole movement's problems; what the heck are they protesting for?

In more serious news, I've been poking fun at the NYC OWS folks, but this seems seriously wrong;

Wall Street protesters in Zuccotti Park battened down the hatches yesterday as the early October snow turned their tents into igloos, but the close quarters also made easy pickings for one predator.
A sex fiend barged into a woman’s tent and sexually assaulted her at around 6 a.m., said protesters, who chased him from the park.
“Pervert! Pervert! Get the out!” said vigilante Occupiers, who never bothered to call the cops.
“They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.
She said that weeks earlier another woman was raped.
“We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”

If you're not going to call the cops at least give him a thrashing he won't forget.

Also, Arizona Neo-Nazis (google "JT Ready") at the Phoenix OWS with AR-15s to support ... the right to free speech, they say, of the OWS folks;


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[classical_hero]

Have you ever had your wrist held behind your back in a martial arts (or what have you) grip? It's not just having a wrist held behind your back like a handcuff, it's forcing a person's body to comply through pain.

You notice how often, whenever US police are arresting someone, even non-resisting, they'll get them on the ground and put their knee on their neck? You don't think that, which is a pretty standard tactic, isn't painful?

The NYPD managed to arrest people a lot more peacefully off that bridge.

CR

The police are corrupt bastards, aren't they?

[Centurion1]

damn those police and restraining individuals with arm holds. evil sons of guns they are.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ken Jennings, one of the 99%;
(linked due to huge resolution)
https://i.imgur.com/iRgy2.jpg

Also, I found this highly amusing - the OWS folks are having to deal with homeless folks and they don't want to;

The Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a “counter” revolution yesterday -- because they’re angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for “professional homeless” people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters.
For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.
They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants, criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in increasing numbers every day.

To show they mean business, the kitchen staff refused to serve any food for two hours yesterday in order to meet with organizers to air their grievances, sources said.
As the kitchen workers met with the “General Assembly’’ last night, about 300 demonstrators stormed from the park to Reade Street and Broadway, where they violently clashed with cops.

...
Some protesters threatened that the high-end meals could be cut off completely if the vagrants and criminals don’t disperse.
Unhappiness with their unwelcome guests was apparent throughout the day.
“We need to limit the amount of food we’re putting out” to curb the influx of derelicts, said Rafael Moreno, a kitchen volunteer.
A security volunteer added that the cooks felt “overworked and underappreciated.”
Many of those being fed “are professional homeless people. They know what they’re doing,” said the guard at the food-storage area.
Today, a limited menu of sandwiches, chips and some hot food will be doled out -- so legitimate protesters will have a day to make arrangements for more upscale weekend meals.
Protesters got their first taste of the revolt within the revolt yesterday when the kitchen staff served only peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and chips after their staff meeting.
Organizers took other steps to police the squatters, who they said were lured in from other parks with the promise of free meals.

So they go to wall street and protest for even more government handouts (among other things), but they don't like giving handouts themselves.


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[a completely inoffensive name]

So they go to wall street and protest for even more government handouts (among other things), but they don't like giving handouts themselves.
CR

Because it's not the whole point of OWS is that the citizens were milked for all their money and they don't want to have the tab put on them. A problem they view as the result of an economic collapse due ot greedy bankers should be on their backs or they are hypocrites? rollie eyes indeed.