[EB]3v3 or 4v4 Historical Battle Idea

**Lazy O** · 10-26-2011, 12:29

SPQR had less men then the Arche? BS I dont buy that.

**TheShakAttack** · 10-26-2011, 12:33

Originally Posted by Lazy O

SPQR had less men then the Arche? BS I dont buy that.

Lol. Whether you believe it or not, that is what is recorded :P

I gotta say though, it's hard to see SPQR pulling this off in EB if armies are kept proportionate. Even with the stupid chariot moves made by AS during the battle.

**The Celtic Viking** · 10-26-2011, 12:56

I told ya we should've chosen Raphia, but did you guys listen? Nooooooooo, you wanted Magnesia! You wanted Romans! Well, you voted for this, but now that you have it, Raphia suddenly start looking more and more attractive. Hm? I could say "you should be careful what you wish for", but I prefer to say "I told you so".

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**Lazy O** · 10-26-2011, 13:03

I want romans so I can bash some romans.

That is all.

**Arjos** · 10-26-2011, 12:57

I find it hard to believe that a Roman like Africanus, was taking part merely as a legatus, doesn't make sense, so I'll give him 4 legions too, making it all the standard double consular composition, adding 20.000 men and making the battle even...

**Vega** · 10-26-2011, 13:04

im GONNA be ScipiO! And im going to do my best,, :P, also dont compare Marian-imperial rome with polybians they are more different i wanted to play vs macedons but Magnesia is nice as well :D

**TheShakAttack** · 10-26-2011, 13:27

That is certainly one approach (doubling the size of the recorded army and refusing to accept it), lol. The other would be to give significant experience bumps to the romans. Am I incorrect in thinking that they were a lot more experienced that Anti's AS army?

**Arjos** · 10-26-2011, 13:41

The thing is that for Livy, Antiochos lost like 50k men, 3k cavalry, 1.5k captured with some escaping...
Read even that Seleukidai were 70k in total, but you can add the numbers and is close to 50k...
I think there's ground to believe he took away 20k from the Romani and put it to the other side...

As for the experience, it could be that there were some veterans from Hispania and Africa...
But what happened was the chariots disrupted the flank routing, Eumenes exploited that routing the left, while Antiochos mad rushed toward the camp, just to be halted and beaten there, with the center giving up while peppered by pila and not being able to form the phalanx...

**TheShakAttack** · 10-26-2011, 14:03

Originally Posted by Arjos

The thing is that for Livy, Antiochos lost like 50k men, 3k cavalry, 1.5k captured with some escaping...
Read even that Seleukidai were 70k in total, but you can add the numbers and is close to 50k...
I think there's ground to believe he took away 20k from the Romani and put it to the other side...

As for the experience, it could be that there were some veterans from Hispania and Africa...
But what happened was the chariots disrupted the flank routing, Eumenes exploited that routing the left, while Antiochos mad rushed toward the camp, just to be halted and beaten there, with the center giving up while peppered by pila and not being able to form the phalanx...

I wasn't really asking about what happened- rather, were the roman troops sig more experienced than AS in Magnesia? If so, we could use this to try and balance things out in our battle...