Official Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim thread!

[easytarget]

Console games out sell PC games 1000 to 1. The PC on it's own is not a cost effective platform anymore for anything beyond more-pigs.

Both of these statements strike me as unsubstantiated. The first sentence is baseless hyperbole, and suggests you're not aware of digital distribution. And the second statement would be news to zynga, blizzard and valve.

[Drunk Clown]

"Console games out sell PC games 1000 to 1"

I don't believe it unless you come with proof. As I have heard the opposite.
(server based games)

[Beskar]

Per Game basis, Consoles sell more.

Actually, per game basis, Mobile phone games do. Angry Birds has 500 million unique downloads.

[lars573]

Phone apps are what under $5 most of the time? REAL easy to justify that, especially if your provider puts it on your monthly bill.

Both of these statements strike me as unsubstantiated. The first sentence is baseless hyperbole, and suggests you're not aware of digital distribution. And the second statement would be news to zynga, blizzard and valve.

Oh it's hyperbole all right, but I'm not wrong. Digital distribution is not 100% of PC game sales (these days it could be safely assumed to be 1/4 or 1/3). And PC games sales are a small percentage of a multi-platform games over all sales. Most of it is console sales. Digital distribution is not the thing that's going to get people using a PC for games. Unless you have a very good connection and the ability to use it for extended periods, it's far from a practical option. Speaking from my own experience of an estimated 23 hours to download ETW over my cable connection.

"Console games out sell PC games 1000 to 1"

I don't believe it unless you come with proof. As I have heard the opposite.
(server based games)

And you hear wrong. Going by multi-player numbers to correlate to games sales is stupid. Especially since Xbox isn't plug and play for online multi-player. And that consoles games don't have enormous MP communities. Infact outside the Halo/Battlefeild/CoD triumvirate most will dry up fairly fast.

[johnhughthom]

Yawn.

Totally off topic. You should know better Mr Beskar. Why they ever made you a mod I'll never...

30 minutes to Skyrim. I'm actually quite excited now, virtually ignoring it until now will probably make it that much better, no expectations to be dashed.

[easytarget]

Phone apps are what under $5 most of the time? REAL easy to justify that, especially if your provider puts it on your monthly bill.


Oh it's hyperbole all right, but I'm not wrong. Digital distribution is not 100% of PC game sales (these days it could be safely assumed to be 1/4 or 1/3). And PC games sales are a small percentage of a multi-platform games over all sales. Most of it is console sales. Digital distribution is not the thing that's going to get people using a PC for games. Unless you have a very good connection and the ability to use it for extended periods, it's far from a practical option. Speaking from my own experience of an estimated 23 hours to download ETW over my cable connection.



And you hear wrong. Going by multi-player numbers to correlate to games sales is stupid. Especially since Xbox isn't plug and play for online multi-player. And that consoles games don't have enormous MP communities. Infact outside the Halo/Battlefeild/CoD triumvirate most will dry up fairly fast.

Lars,

that you care enough to even broach the topic is a laugh in and of itself, what, you carrying a torch for old console technology are you?

and w/o proof of a source backing up your 1000 to 1 claim, which everyone in this forum knows is nonsense, you're pretty much just stuck with me calling you out on it

[tibilicus]

Went to Tesco at midnight to buy it and the goons in the shop said they only received 10 copies of the game... I was 11th in the queue as I had used the opportunity to buy some groceries. Turns out when you're a supermarket giant you can afford to be complacent and have a total twink as your stock manager.

[JagRoss]

On an related note, does anyone think I should play Arena and Daggerfall before playing getting into the more modern Elder Scrolls games?

[naut]

Ugh. Not more Bethesda crap! Why do they inflict the world with their constant stream of poop? [/grumpy]

[econ21]

On an related note, does anyone think I should play Arena and Daggerfall before playing getting into the more modern Elder Scrolls games?

I doubt it. The more modern games are big, so the three of them together would keep you more than occupied. The graphics of the older games doesn't hold up so well, as they were even more generic and lacking in story/character than the newer titles. Morrowind is still pretty impressive though, so starting with that rather than Oblivion would not be silly.

[lars573]

Lars,

that you care enough to even broach the topic is a laugh in and of itself, what, you carrying a torch for old console technology are you?

and w/o proof of a source backing up your 1000 to 1 claim, which everyone in this forum knows is nonsense, you're pretty much just stuck with me calling you out on it

1000 to 1 is an exaggeration, which I admitted as much. Realistically it's more like 100:1, or at the outside 50:1. But since companies guard sales data like mother bear protecting her cubs we'll never know for sure how much consoles out sell PC. But if you believe that PC game sales can compete with console sales for a game like Skyrim, your fracking crazy.

I am in love with the archery in this game, its been a while since I've played a game where arrows actally have some thwack to them, hunting alone is fun. I once snuck up on a guy in a tower, took aim, fired and watched as his body fell 20 feet to the ground with only one arrow in his back, it was one of the more satisfying moments I've had in a game.

So is it better than Oblivion's ranged system? I could not stand ranged weapons in Morrowind or Oblivion (which I'm not a fan of at the best of times in these games). Still if they've gone solely with perks for skills or how you want to play. I'm not opposed to it. I rather liked how it was set up in Fallout 3.

[econ21]

My initial impressions are very like those posted above.

It's gorgeous. After feeling a little left out watching my son's Modern Warfare 3, I took some pride in now getting a game that looks about as good. (I thought the opening was a cut scene, until I turned my character to look around; the graphics were so cinematic in quality.)

It's just like Morrowind/Oblivion. Don't expect any fundamental change in the basic kind of game it is.

I like the combat, but then I preferred Oblivion's combat to Mount and Blade. Fighting with sword and shield just feels more solid, well paced and you can plausibly defeat superior numbers. Archery seems nice - my impression is that you shoot more or less where your cursor was pointing. You don't have to "aim high" like in Mount and Blade, or suffer from excessive wobbles like Fallout 3 manual aim with low skill.

There are no stats at character creation. Realising that nearly made me weep - doesn't RPG stand for min-max your stats game or something? But now I think it is a blessing. What killed Morrowind/Oblivion for me was trying to rig my stats so that I maximised them on level up (endless hours standing getting biten by mudcrabs, jumping off rocks etc). Maybe I have not figured out the optimal levelling approach, but now that you don't have endurance/strength etc, you can just level up as use your skills and pick a nice perk as a reward. The perk trees seem decent - a kind of hybrid of WoW's talent trees and Fallout's perks. There are lots of skills and perks (you can get to level 70 or so, but 50 is the norm, so that's a lot of perks), so the stat/levelling lover need not feel they are in an action game.

Oh and the interface is awful. I normally don't care about UIs, but this one makes me scream.

[Beskar]

Oh and the interface is awful. I normally don't care about UIs, but this one makes me scream.

Works very well with a controller but it is hideous using keyboard and mouse. On controller it is a flick of the thumb to go through it all.

[rajpoot]

Everyone I've seen is complaining about the interface. Guess I'll have to wait to see until I get my copy.