Riots at penn state

[a completely inoffensive name]

Why do we have this level of sports involved at all though? You can still talk about priorities.

I think it's weird the amount of stuff that's packaged into "the college experience". It should mostly be academics.

We have this level of sports because it is human nature to identify yourself as part of a group and then demonize those that are not part of your group. In college when most people start learning about themselves, it is easy to just latch onto their uni's sports teams for identity.

Seriously, the amount of elitism in here is just embarrassing. Why do the commoners waste their time, investing so much of themselves into something they have nothing to do with? It's like they are being human? Rabble, rabble rabble, why can't people be as enlightened as me and transcend sports?

If the sports program is a major money grabber for the uni, the uni should place it first, because if it doesn't then everyone is for the worse.

You guys are all talking as if sports haven't been causing riots in LA, or fights between New Yorkers and Bostonians for 100+ years.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We have this level of sports because it is human nature to identify yourself as part of a group and then demonize those that are not part of your group. In college when most people start learning about themselves, it is easy to just latch onto their uni's sports teams for identity.

Seriously, the amount of elitism in here is just embarrassing. Why do the commoners waste their time, investing so much of themselves into something they have nothing to do with? It's like they are being human? Rabble, rabble rabble, why can't people be as enlightened as me and transcend sports?

If the sports program is a major money grabber for the uni, the uni should place it first, because if it doesn't then everyone is for the worse.

You guys are all talking as if sports haven't been causing riots in LA, or fights between New Yorkers and Bostonians for 100+ years.

Hmm no, I already said I watch football every sunday.

The issue is that too many people view college as a certain kind of experience that has little to do with anything intellectual and that universities market themselves in that way. Why shouldn't they just have intramural sports?

Hmm, there's some old English book about being a soccer fan and the sense of community that I can't recall the title of right now.

Fever pitch?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hmm no, I already said I watch football every sunday.

That part wasn't directed towards you. I recall you posting in the NFL threads in the frontroom.

The issue is that too many people view college as a certain kind of experience that has little to do with anything intellectual and that universities market themselves in that way. Why shouldn't they just have intramural sports?

I just explained this. College is when most people actually start thinking about what kind of person they will be, not about what they want to know about. So they treat college as an orgy of experiences and "life learning" instead of a place to learn about the world around them. Uni's market themselves in whatever way will get them more money. It just so happens that marketing themselves as a place to learn about yourself and obtain experiences gets them a lot more money then as a place of liberal education.


As a side note, I am waiting for the flood of hate coming my way on facebook since I just made a comment about how Paterno should have been fired and that the only thing that went wrong was Penn State not coming down harder on the rest involved as well.

Also, isn't fellow orgah Icefrom Penn State? I am interested to hear his thoughts on the manner since if I remember correctly, he just graduated from there.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Actually, this Penn State kid pretty much says exactly what I am thinking.


Notice how the kid giving the "rebuttle" pretty much fails at saying anything meaningful at all besides, "Joe Paterno has done so much for this university". Which basically much just means, Paterno has been a good coach and a good role model....up until now.


EDIT: My god, how long was Penn State covering this kind of stuff up?
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

And now, this is coming to a boil?

[Hosakawa Tito]

What the hell is a Penn State anyway???

Good question. From what I've read Penn State University is considered a private college, but the Governor of Pennsylvania has a seat on the board of trustees along with about 6 state affiliated board members that the Governor selects like a public college.

Actually, this Penn State kid pretty much says exactly what I am thinking.


Notice how the kid giving the "rebuttle" pretty much fails at saying anything meaningful at all besides, "Joe Paterno has done so much for this university". Which basically much just means, Paterno has been a good coach and a good role model....up until now.


EDIT: My god, how long was Penn State covering this kind of stuff up?
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

And now, this is coming to a boil?

Joe Paterno could demonstrate some real leadership by publicly telling those knuckleheads that he isn't the victim in this scandal. The University should set up a victim restitution fund and Joe can write the first check.

[Vladimir]

Actually, this Penn State kid pretty much says exactly what I am thinking.


Notice how the kid giving the "rebuttle" pretty much fails at saying anything meaningful at all besides, "Joe Paterno has done so much for this university". Which basically much just means, Paterno has been a good coach and a good role model....up until now.


EDIT: My god, how long was Penn State covering this kind of stuff up?
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

And now, this is coming to a boil?

Enough of reading that. Did it really take six victims before someone called the police?

I'm really sad that Gregoshi is splitting hairs and giving into technicalities.

[Gregoshi]

I'm really sad that Gregoshi is splitting hairs and giving into technicalities.

Blind loyalty vs a witch hunt. Pick your side. And I am equally sad that so many people are giving in to emotion and assumptions based on hindsight rather than what was known at the time by whom.

My only stance on this is that the grand jury is not a trial. It is not a complete investigation. I'm not giving into technicalities, I'm (trying) to base my current opinion on what is in the grand jury report, not assumptions based on what is not. We are not privy to any testimony other than summaries and quoted phrases in the report. We are not privy to the delivery of those words that caused the grand jury to deem McQueary's testimony as credible while Curley and Shultz were deemed not credible and resulting in pejury charges against them. There are no such charge against Paterno. Here I am the one making an assumption based on something that is not in the report, but it seems fairly safe that the grand jury had no problems with Paterno's testimony.

As far as I am concerned you waiting to pass judgement until a jury's decision is like asking for everyone to reserve judgement on O.J. Simpson until the trial is over.

Excuse me, but I believe Sandusky is the criminal and I'm not reserving judgement on him even though I looked at Sandusky almost as favourably as I do Paterno before all this happened. Remember, Paterno is only accused of a "moral failing" by officials. You and the others are the ones putting Paterno in the white SUV with Sandusky.

I've wasted enough time the past couple of days on this useless arguing. It is obvious neither of us will budge at the present. You can continue to stack wood to burn the witch with the wart and false nose and I'll continue to wear my loyalty blinders until (and IF) it is shown that the "witch" does weigh as much as a duck (yes, that is a Monty Python reference).

[Strike For The South]

Paterno did the bare minimum he had to in order to cover his backside.

Yellow. Absolutely yellow

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I just explained this. College is when most people actually start thinking about what kind of person they will be, not about what they want to know about. So they treat college as an orgy of experiences and "life learning" instead of a place to learn about the world around them. Uni's market themselves in whatever way will get them more money. It just so happens that marketing themselves as a place to learn about yourself and obtain experiences gets them a lot more money then as a place of liberal education.

Yes, so there should be some interlude between high school and college where people first move out and live on their own. Don't know how that would work out specifically though. Maybe everyone who had howard zinn inflicted on them in high school can be forced to take remedial American history.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yes, so there should be some interlude between high school and college where people first move out and live on their own. Don't know how that would work out specifically though. Maybe everyone who had howard zinn inflicted on them in high school can be forced to take remedial American history.

I agree with you actually. A year between would be good for many, many people. Unfortunately, that is a personal decision for the individual or his/her parents. The former doesn't know any better and just wants to go to Uni so he/she can get a job as soon as possible and the latter probably is afraid of their son/daughter not ending their year of identification at a year and stagnating.

In regards to your Howard Zinn comment...that's pretty worthless to say considering that regular textbooks do a **** job as well. If history is going to be taught right at that level, it should be explained that no representation of history is going to be completely unbiased. Howard Zinn should be taught along with many other​ authors and sources.

EDIT:
THIS IS SOME META LEVEL STUFF HERE:
http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-...1115713&sr=1-1

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with you actually. A year between would be good for many, many people. Unfortunately, that is a personal decision for the individual or his/her parents. The former doesn't know any better and just wants to go to Uni so he/she can get a job as soon as possible and the latter probably is afraid of their son/daughter not ending their year of identification at a year and stagnating.

Maybe the change needs to be done at the high school level. Like a system similar to other countries where students are sorted into different types of high schools.

In regards to your Howard Zinn comment...that's pretty worthless to say considering that regular textbooks do a **** job as well. If history is going to be taught right at that level, it should be explained that no representation of history is going to be completely unbiased. Howard Zinn should be taught along with many other​ authors and sources.

Nooooooooooo. Zinn does not come anywhere near the bare minimum professional standard. Doesn't even qualify as history--just arguing for an inane ideology. Real historians are vastly different, regardless of their political leanings. You might as well say that people should watch glenn beck and michael moore for "balance".

[a completely inoffensive name]

Maybe the change needs to be done at the high school level. Like a system similar to other countries where students are sorted into different types of high schools.
Nooooooooooo. Zinn does not come anywhere near the bare minimum professional standard. Doesn't even qualify as history--just arguing for an inane ideology. Real historians are vastly different, regardless of their political leanings. You might as well say that people should watch glenn beck and michael moore for "balance".

Don't want this thread to go off topic, so I will PM you.