Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

You can forge all you want! :P

Please clarify to me why on earth you are cleared and people can reveal to you??

There is nothing to forge. Not even Atpg thinks anymore that im scum.He offered me the identity of town aligned doctor in private and i declined that offer. He has confirmed that himself. Just read the thread.

Maybe Pizza is bit desperate as he isnt exactly seen in glorious light right now. He is definetely the best vote right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I FoSed him earlier.... for... something scummy he did :P

I'm more concerned why Pizza is voting him...

Why, it's berry simple sir. I said I needed to live to win. He said I should die.

Therefore, I kill it with fire, while playing THIS SONG!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

He is definetely the best vote right now.

Why would I try to sell you information if I was scum? That's scummy, and I don't want to act scummy if I am a scumbag. I act like a townie when I'm a scumbag.

Me trying to sell you info is clearly indicative of a variable alignment role who can win with either side.

You, as a townie, want to lynch I dunno cult leaders. You kill the convertibles, they'll just convert someone else. And BTW I wasn't converted last night, scan me and you'll see.

You lynch someone besides me, you'll actually have a chance of hitting someone you want dead. And, I already backed off of you because you're acting like a townie. Now you've just gotta tighten up your game and lynch a scumbag, and you'll be acting like a winning townie.



THIS IS MY SERIOUS FACE. YOU NO LISTEN LAST TIME AND I WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT!!!

[Kagemusha]

And i will fight off the evil PizzaMan while playing this song:

[Riedquat]

Why, it's berry simple sir. I said I needed to live to win. He said I should die.

Therefore, I kill it with fire, while playing THIS SONG!!!

Sorry Pizza I'm in the office can't hear any song...

Kage, again, Pizza made a case against you, then Pizza cleared you himself... that doesn't make you any innocent... you are something, but we don't know what...

[Kagemusha]

Why would I try to sell you information if I was scum? That's scummy, and I don't want to act scummy if I am a scumbag. I act like a townie when I'm a scumbag.

Me trying to sell you info is clearly indicative of a variable alignment role who can win with either side.

You, as a townie, want to lynch I dunno cult leaders. You kill the convertibles, they'll just convert someone else. And BTW I wasn't converted last night, scan me and you'll see.

You lynch someone besides me, you'll actually have a chance of hitting someone you want dead. And, I already backed off of you because you're acting like a townie. Now you've just gotta tighten up your game and lynch a scumbag, and you'll be acting like a winning townie.



THIS IS MY SERIOUS FACE. YOU NO LISTEN LAST TIME AND I WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT!!!

Well the problem lies there that before that part of discussion you were quite convinced that i might be on the TEAM EVIL. So your willigness to join the dark side combined with the information you already know makes you serious health hazard to the town. You have to admit that?

[Askthepizzaguy]

And i will fight off the evil PizzaMan while playing this song:

I might be evil but that doesn't mean we can't be friends.





You townies need to have a ruthless cold-hearted menace fighting for you. Seriously, wouldn't that increase your odds of success?

You think you can get the job done with caring and friendship and LOVE??? NO! Misery and suffering wins every time! You gotta kill the other poor bastard and make him die for HIS faction before he makes you die for yours.

You need me, you silly kind-hearted people. I can be that big brother who picks on you but still annihilates your bullies in a fight.



"Sherman.... SHERMAN!!!! No matter what..... you.... got... to strut."

Buddy Love- The Nutty Professor

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well the problem lies there that before that part of discussion you were quite convinced that i might be on the TEAM EVIL. So your willigness to join the dark side combined with the information you already know makes you serious health hazard to the town. You have to admit that?

It's more hazardous to your health to take on the cult alone. You think I'm the big evil here? You crush the tiny little bugs, and then the big giant momma bug from Starship Troopers comes out of the ground and eats your whole town.

Learn to use the dangerous elements to your advantage instead of running away from them! Take a risk, live a little, or die slowly.

[Kagemusha]

I might be evil but that doesn't mean we can't be friends.





You townies need to have a ruthless cold-hearted menace fighting for you. Seriously, wouldn't that increase your odds of success?

You think you can get the job done with caring and friendship and LOVE??? NO! Misery and suffering wins every time! You gotta kill the other poor bastard and make him die for HIS faction before he makes you die for yours.

You need me, you silly kind-hearted people. I can be that big brother who picks on you but still annihilates your bullies in a fight.



"Sherman.... SHERMAN!!!! No matter what..... you.... got... to strut."

Buddy Love- The Nutty Professor

Such menace can be bit of a two bladed sword. To Riedquat. My actions should speak on my behalf more then anything.Would i have been evil.I would have accepted Atgp´s information and thanked him, while soon a doctor would be dead.

[Arjos]

Ima Unvote; Vote: Lewwyn

Kage and ATPG are showboating and increasing their post counts XD

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kage and ATPG are showboating and increasing their post counts XD

Well shut me up, somebody finally said it.

I should have gone with Rumpelstiltskin. That is hard to spell and pronounce.

[Riedquat]

Such menace can be bit of a two bladed sword. To Riedquat. My actions should speak on my behalf more then anything.Would i have been evil.I would have accepted Atgp´s information and thanked him, while soon a doctor would be dead.

Your actions? what actions? the only thing we have here is you and Atpg talking about something that perhaps happened in a private conversation the rest of us is not aware of, and now you are telling people to reveal to you based on that? Really?

I have questions, have you been contacted by the person who blocked you? Anyone knows why were you blocked?

[Csargo]

I feel like ATPG is trying to sell me something, but out of nowhere comes Kage trying to sell me something else. Now they're fighting amongst themselves to decide who should sell me something and I'm left bewildered on the sidelines with nothing.

[Ishmael]

Aargh, my head hurts. I just don't get the impression that ATPG is scum, but equally I feel that Kage is just a townie trying to push what he sees as a valid case (no doubt both of them are chuckling in their evil lairs at this). Thus, I'm going to have to fall back on my earlier FoS and unvote, vote: Lewwyn.

[johnhughthom]

Kage was roleblocked? Well that's a no brainer:

Vote: Kagemusha

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't quite understand this reasoning.

[landlubber]

I feel like ATPG is trying to sell me something, but out of nowhere comes Kage trying to sell me something else. Now they're fighting amongst themselves to decide who should sell me something and I'm left bewildered on the sidelines with nothing.

I completely agree with this. I'm not sure who to vote for at all, simply because I feel like I'm not getting all of the story, that there's too much going on in private.
Based off the thread solely, however, the person who most strikes me as scum is BSmith.
Vote: BSmith.

[Csargo]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.


In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

[Arjos]

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't quite understand this reasoning.

Put some pressure, he was giving hints about his night actions...

[BSmith]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

[Riedquat]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

Me neither.... unvote; vote: abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

I don't think voting for openly neutral somewhat scummy ATPG is a particularly controversial move. You're painting it as such in retrospect, but it wasn't.

"If I were scum" is another one of those defenses scum use far too often. Your defense is essentially: That thing I'm doing is risky, and I never take risks as a scum. What if it's not particularly risky, and what about if you do take risks as a scumbag? I don't buy the narrative you're selling.

You have to figure that I've got protection at night, so how else do you kill me? Someone can take one for the team and accuse me. Cults expand. Losing one member in exchange for a hostile, powerful, investigator Pizzaguy is a very safe trade.

No, you're not going to wiggle out of this one so easily.

[Montmorency]

Secondly, Kagemusha isn't reading townie here. He's not reading anything much of anything yet, but since he's on the chopping block and has already admitted he's a power role, why has he abstained from saying which one?

Well, Pizza, you yourself said we'd all be power roles, no?

It's also interesting that you are systematically attacking guys as soon as it becomes personally expedient.

I also openly declared neutral

Uhhh, the way you keep emphasizing your neutrality is giving me some flashbacks.

the pain away...

There's nothing further to be gained from pressuring me.

Your character, Pizza.

WHO ARE YOU?

I can also help connect the doctors to each other without revealing them to the mafia.

Already falling back into that role, eh? Think we'll fall for it so easily this time?

I already know is the identity of myself, a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result. It's hardly game-ending stuff. But quit telling me stuff.

What about me, eh?

unvote, vote: Abstain

Do as you will. But I can't make a town-neutral alliance work when all I ever get is this stubbornness.

And trust me, you'll regret not using every resource at your disposal in a cult game. How you deal with this is an indicator of how the other neutrals should play. Should they even attempt to assist the town, or like the dead canary in the coal mine that I'm about to be, will they high-tail it out of townie-ville and just assume they're going to either die and lose the game, or end up as a winning scumbag, dead or not?

You're making very bad choices here, Kagemusha. I can't save myself, but I also can't help protect you from the cults when I'm gone. And I'm telling you, other survivalists won't look on the town as a friend here, if you kill me. Once again, town can choose to try to live, or it can divide itself along partisan lines, and watch the neutrals flee out of basic survival instinct. Learn anything from Capo, it's that a town divided against itself cannot stand, and like it or not, neutrals count as townies as far as game balance is concerned. And your "full" townies weren't incorruptible either in the last game, so you're fooling yourself if you think that regular townies are any better than I am.

Think carefully, because I'd rather be useful help, than a Cassandra who told you so.

Are you threatening us, Lord Sidious?

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

I do not want Lewwyn lynched. Better Pizza than him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, Pizza, you yourself said we'd all be power roles, no?

It's also interesting that you are systematically attacking guys as soon as it becomes personally expedient.

I find it interesting that you find it interesting.

Can you be a little more vague? I'm not sure that I'm not following you.

Your character, Pizza.

WHO ARE YOU?

I am your father.

Already falling back into that role, eh? Think we'll fall for it so easily this time?

Pizza was a meanie in Capo. Therefore Pizza should die in this game, YAY.

What about me, eh?

You claimed to be a townie. Everyone by default is assumed to claim townie by default. You revealed no useful info.

Are you threatening us, Lord Sidious?

Yeah, because you're threatening me first. Derp.

I do not want Lewwyn lynched. Better Pizza than him.

unvote, vote: Lewwyn.

I do not want to be lynched, and your precious Lewwyn can burn in perdition.

[Montmorency]

You claimed to be a townie. Everyone by default is assumed to claim townie by default. You revealed no useful info.

I was rather more specific.

Yeah, because you're threatening me first. Derp.

Pizza with plurality of votes: LYNCH ME
Pizza with 1 or 2 votes: YOU WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE FOR YOUR LACK OF VISION

Pizza was a meanie in Capo. Therefore Pizza should die in this game, YAY.

Better a townie than a neutral who will turn at the drop of a hat. Will turn in a game based on involuntary conversions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How do you know they're involuntary?

[Montmorency]

Aren't all cult games?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I'm looking for hyoo-mons. It's not just my survival but the survival of other hyoo-mons that concerns me.

That said, there's nothing in my role which says anyone has to die, it just says the hyoo-mons have to live.

I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

It was still worth putting him through the wringer, because after he acted scummily, he started squeezing out droplets of townie-ness.

Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.

Depends, really. Everyone attacking me today can't be mafia, so the townies are giving me every incentive to get my win conditions changed from survival to scum victory. If I can't survive, then what's left for me?

That said, I'm still giving it my every effort. I also don't have much of a choice in the matter, I can't pick sides. I have to follow what my role PM says. I'm willing to bet you a good third of the overall townie population has black instead of green for their name. They win with the town by default, the only thing that makes them want to oppose the town is townies trying to kill them.

In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I see the parallels between his play here and another game where he was scum. That said, we have limited data. He could be acting that way here because that's how he always acts, town or not. I'm willing to keep an open mind but that mind gets pretty closed when peeps try to kill me. I am not sure why that would be surprising to anyone.

Let us kill you and make you lose, Askthepizzaguy. Wait, pizza, why u no liek townies?

Like pulling teeth from a crying, bratty child. I take it back, it needed another negative modifier. But you, Csargo, you give me hope.

Very well, I am Rondell.

http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Rondell

(I have not read this article, btw. I prefer to play based on who is acting scummy, not what role they have)

Part of a street gang that protected neighborhoods from vampires with Gunn, but now Gunn is working for a vampire. As such I don't know if I can trust him anymore. My goal is to protect the humans from the vampires.

I scanned a guy, he was human. I won't be voting for that guy. Easy peasy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BTW I was Charles Gunn in two games, now I'm his freaking accomplice.

Smokin Gunns, baby. I am starting to think Autolycus wants me to be Gunn or someone like him.

Oh just read the article, it's pretty brief; it says this guy wants to kill demons regardless of alignment. That's not true of my character here. I have no killing powers, just scanning ones, and no mason partners or other allies.

[autolycus]

Is it my fault that when I imagine you, atpg, it's as a scarily dangerous black dude who metes out righteous or not so righteous death to his foes :p
WARNING: this comment does not constitute an endorsement or disendorsement of Atpg's role-claim. Void where prohibited. All roles actually assigned via random.org.

[Montmorency]

Let us kill you and make you lose, Askthepizzaguy. Wait, pizza, why u no liek townies?

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.