Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
Science is based on two metaphysical assumptions, Epistomological realism and an ordered universe. Science cannot tell you anything about these beliefs, because they are prerequisites for scientific enquiery.

They are imports from Christianity (and Islam, but not directly). You may not realise it, but it was theologians who invented the scientific method, and them applied it to Natural Philosophy.

So, actually, you are wrong.
I'm pretty sure science has traditions that predate Christianity... unless the likes of Aristole & Plato were Jewish?

Also science would quite quickly tell you if a universe was or was not ordered... those phenomena would cease to be predicatable and hence there would not be a scientific theory to predicte them. Since there is currently > 1 science theory that makes predictions, my prediction is that we live in a somewhat ordered universe... plus Chaos thrown in. Either way the scientific method could tell you that your universe was or wasn't ordered.

As for epistomological realism, meh you're either all figments of my imagination or I can choose to believe you are actual beings worthy of conversation. If I choose not to believe in e.r... then why even bother chatting online... I might as well save time and chat to imaginary beings in my mind rather then waste energy typing.

As for the scientific method, I would have to say it was created despite not because of the religous systems of their day. After all quite a few who validated science were declared heritics. Not exactly an ironclad case for a system of thought that encouraged science. Also Natural Philosophy is to Science what Sports Writers are to Sports. Sure they know a lot about it, but they are rarely found to actually be able to do it with proficiency.