Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Arjos]

Let us know if you need help (co-hosting, deciding new format etc) or anything else :)

BTW is John ok, coming back later on or plain simple fed up?

[Secura]

Unless there is a bad demand in a "restart".

I would ask for the second turn to be ignored or 'reset', to be honest... or just reboot the game from the beginning with your changes in tow. That's the only way I feel I can continue to participate as part of House Dragonstone.

[Jarema]

I am strongly AGAINST replaying only second turn.
Now, a lot of people would know what we wanted to do.
I am fine with both other solutions - either play from the moment after second phase, or restart the game (maybe it would be the best solution, also for host)

[Greyblades]

Thank you, Beskie. If you are reading this John Thank you for your efforts and I'm sorry if it was something I did that caused this.

I would ask for the second turn to be ignored or 'reset', to be honest... or just reboot the game from the beginning with your changes in tow. That's the only way I feel I can continue to participate as part of House Dragonstone.

I would like a reset to the start of turn 2 as well.

[Kagemusha]

If i could choose.I would restart the game and maybe make some tweaks to the mechanics.There was some rather controversial things last turn happening compared to actual orders.

[Beskar]

The problem is with restarting just this turn, is where there are downsides in some areas, other people are in a position of advantage. I have seen some differences in battle mechanics, so I am willing to re-roll those as I believe only this turn has had any -real- combat in them.

Some other things cannot really be changed.

[Arjos]

I don't know what was "controversial", but so far I was enjoying a lot unexpected results: imo that's like half of the game's fun...
As for the turn, replaying it sounds rather silly, so either we keep on going with the start of phase 3 or we restart from the beginning, latter being somewhat annoying if you ask me...

[Kagemusha]

I think there are quite lot of things which can be enhanced and im not just talking about battle mechanics, but i can start developing those things for a possible future game.

[Montmorency]

Oh god, please don't restart, unless you can promise a very speedy T1.

Besides, restarting is even more unfair, given all the knowledge we now have. I'd really prefer just wrapping up Month 2.

[Kagemusha]

I don't know what was "controversial", but so far I was enjoying a lot unexpected results: imo that's like half of the game's fun...
As for the turn, replaying it sounds rather silly, so either we keep on going with the start of phase 3 or we restart from the beginning, latter being somewhat annoying if you ask me...

Well unxpected is not a problem but if your forces are acting against direct and explicit orders.It becomes quite troublesome.

[Arjos]

I see, was it right from the start or could it have been due to circumstances?

[LazyMcCrow]

If i could choose.I would restart the game and maybe make some tweaks to the mechanics.There was some rather controversial things last turn happening compared to actual orders.

No disrespect to anyone intended, but as an interested observer, I'd hope that the mechanics of this game would be seriously examined before any kind of continuation or restart. At least as far as making sure that the new/replacement/original host, or co-hosts aren't biting off more than they can chew. There is a whole kind of bravodo/machismo/masochism amongst new games designers generally, that can and should be avoided, with nothing more required than; 1) proper preparation and 2) a realistic projection of time required to complete the job.

Hell - with all i have to do in RL, I'm kind of shaking about hosting a simple game of mafia - let alone something of this complexity and MAGNITUDE!

So - to everyone who wants to leap in and continue for 'the sake of the game': How long will the game take to complete? How much time will any new (required?) players need to be able to invest in the game per week? How much time (included projected inflation) should the hosts be prepared to invest in completing the game?

For the record, I'm not trying to be a spanner in the works or a naysayer, but if the above questions above can't be answered with any degree of certainty, then it might be best to re-evaluate the game. Double A's obvious frustration is the main effect this type of endeavor should aim to avoid.

[Double A]

Reasons why I'm frustrated: I've seen this happen at least 3 times on the org and friggin' Margaery got poisoned. Like 50 people knew about the wedding's location, and all of them sworn.

[Montmorency]

As a player, I invested at least 10 hours a week. New players would need, I guess, at least 5 hours to skim through factional content and the game thread(s). As for hosting, the players cannot say;too much is hidden from us.

[Kagemusha]

I see, was it right from the start or could it have been due to circumstances?

Lets just say that it was on decisive moment. and it was not because of circumstances.Everything was followed just like ordered up till then, but for some reason the orders stopped applying at the moment it was most important for them to be followed.

[Arjos]

Well, I don't know what happened, but sounds like something triggered in, be that external actions, bad luck due to low stats or whatever...

How long will the game take to complete?

No idea and frankly I hope it lasts as long as possible ^^

How much time will any new (required?) players need to be able to invest in the game per week?

It's really up to you, maybe some time to catch up with your faction about what's going on, but then all that matters is having some knowledge of the recent events and decisions so to be present to finalize the orders before the phase's end...

How much time (included projected inflation) should the hosts be prepared to invest in completing the game?

I really don't know, but if we all manage to settle for a "routined" process to send orders, I think the hosts will only need to write the results from that and be present to answer questions or respond in name of NPCs during the phase...

Maybe for the inquiries we should stick to PMs, I know they will pile up, but at least the host doesn't have to read every single post in the many QTs...
And in the end, this would form a detailed FAQ...

[Montmorency]

So what we have here is players who did well insisting on the status quo, while those who were worst off demand a do-over.

Can there be any compromise? There are still so many we haven't heard from. But no matter what the outcome, someone will leave alienated. Perhaps we should just call it a game...

[Kagemusha]

Well, I don't know what happened, but sounds like something triggered in, be that external actions, bad luck due to low stats or whatever...

The host knows exactly what it concerns, so making assumptions here really does not matter.

So what we have here is players who did well insisting on the status quo, while those who were worst off demand a do-over.

Can there be any compromise? There are still so many we haven't heard from. But no matter what the outcome, someone will leave alienated. Perhaps we should just call it a game...

Personally im ready to start over,continue from here, reset the turn. I am open for all options.In the end it is just a game.

[Jarema]

So what we have here is players who did well insisting on the status quo, while those who were worst off demand a do-over.

Can there be any compromise? There are still so many we haven't heard from. But no matter what the outcome, someone will leave alienated. Perhaps we should just call it a game...

As I said before, I just do not want partial solution. Either restart whole thing, or go further without repeating this turn. Of course, it is only my vote on this matter

[Ishmael]

I'll just chip in to say that whether we continue on or restart, I have heartily enjoyed playing and I have no doubt that I will continue to enjoy it. However, I do agree with Kage that events that should have been in control of the players, weren't, and that this has skewed what probably should have occurred in an unfair manner. Nonetheless, I'll be happy no matter what is decided.

[Beskar]

I have decided this is going to be the best course of action, I am going to have to reboot the game and going to reorganise everything from scratch.

This isn't because of anything John has done, it is mainly because I am ending up in a big situation I am unable to host to the best of my abilities and constricted within results already given out. I cannot go back and amend things without upsetting even more people and it is bad enough if some players were upset the first time.

Allowing me to restart will allow me to implement big changes from the "Get Go".

I will be opening a new thread on this.

[Greyblades]

Eh, honestly I'm fine for everything, another attempt to get Eddard alive would be nice but I had a good thing going with Tywin training joffrey to be subtle.
I'm curious, what happened to Margaery? what sort of poison was it?

[Arjos]

Ok, well I'm going to thank John for this extremely entertaining start and thrilling game concept ^^

Let's see the new version :P

[Ishmael]

I'm curious, what happened to Margaery? what sort of poison was it?

Posioned at her wedding feast, because (wait for the contrived coincidence) - the wine for the entire toast was poisoned, and Margaery just happened to drink first. A letter was found that seemed to implicate Stannis, and so he was placed under arrest in Oldtown (where he was overseeing the combined naval operation against the Ironborn). None of us really believe it was him, but we weren't informed of his imprisonment until after the turn was over.

EDIT: And I agree, thanks JHT for the concept and thanks Tiaexz for taking over! Shall we all publicise our Quicktopics?

[Double A]

Eh, honestly I'm fine for everything, another attempt to get Eddard alive would be nice but I had a good thing going with Tywin training joffrey to be subtle.
I'm curious, what happened to Margaery? what sort of poison was it?

Dude, I haven't even gotten my write-up. ALL I know is that she was poisoned, and that was because yesterday I asked john about how things went on Steam before going to bed.

[Montmorency]

Well, if we're starting over, it would be best not to. We will likely repeat quite a few of our actions. Don't forgot about the diplomacy, that will surely carry over.

[Arjos]

And that was the controversial behaviour? lol
People got mad and not knowing what to do, simply arrested the only suspect...

[Double A]

Well, if we're starting over, it would be best not to. We will likely repeat quite a few of our actions. Don't forgot about the diplomacy, that will surely carry over.

Most people will probably just build more ships on the first turn.

[Montmorency]

*coughs*

[Greyblades]

Posioned at her wedding feast, because (wait for the contrived coincidence) - the wine for the entire toast was poisoned, and Margaery just happened to drink first. A letter was found that seemed to implicate Stannis, and so he was placed under arrest in Oldtown (where he was overseeing the combined naval operation against the Ironborn). None of us really believe it was him, but we weren't informed of his imprisonment until after the turn was over.

...Huh, well seeing as we're starting over and theres no way I could ever use it again, I will admit I sent the wine. Pity it only got one of you. muahaha- etc