Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Double A]

I'm tired due to a combination of Italian food and Rick Steeves, realized this shortly after posting, and edited it to some extent.

Anyway, it was really freakin' obvious that you were behind it.

[Secura]

1) Stannis would have just sent a shadow of doom after me if he was worried.

Upon asking him about the scope of the character, JHT told myself and Beskar that Renly's death at the hands of Melisandre's conjuration was one of his most disliked moments in the series. As a result, he said that I wouldn't be able to do that against the main roles, though my chances of succeeding against lesser roles (he loosely hinted at Penrose, given that he's also killed by Melisandre) were much more favourable.

That was fine by me, although it feels a bit lacklustre when you consider how easy it was for the Lannisters to poison your wine in comparison to what Melisandre would have had to do if I had wanted you dead.

[Greyblades]

3) Your other plans all have failed horribly. Patterns are not to be ignored.

Which plans? Capturing Eddard's the only one I can think of and that was ruined by a NPC.

[Kagemusha]

No you couldnt, you'd be dead or too peeved off to think straight and I was under no illusion that you'd think it was from Doran. And no I wasnt expecting for highgarden to sit back, why do you think I attempted to invade?

And i always was wondering from the start that you did not try to do any kind of pact with us. Maybe you just had locked the idea that tyrells need to be destroyed?

[Greyblades]

I had locked the idea that Renly needed to be destroyed and there was no way you would side with me as long as he lived, also the iron bank was asking for 1500 a turn so I was in a rush to acquire enough lands to sustain that without becoming bankrupt.

[Kagemusha]

I had locked the idea that Renly needed to be destroyed and there was no way you would side with me as long as he lived, also the iron bank was asking for 1500 a turn so I was in a rush to acquire enough lands to sustain that without becoming bankrupt.

And Tyrell´s would have been the easiest to pick? You know i was completely neutral before last turn. Had you not put Ironborn attack us.We would not have had anything against you. :P

[Greyblades]

Yeah well the iron born thing was an utter cockup on my end, initially I was to pay them about 100 a turn to blockade oldtown if we went to war, keep you occupied while I picked off Renly, unfortunately I am not the best communicator and Stranger didnt understand the "if we went to war" part and attacked immediately.

[Double A]

Upon asking him about the scope of the character, JHT told myself and Beskar that Renly's death at the hands of Melisandre's conjuration was one of his most disliked moments in the series. As a result, he said that I wouldn't be able to do that against the main roles, though my chances of succeeding against lesser roles (he loosely hinted at Penrose, given that he's also killed by Melisandre) were much more favourable.

That was fine by me, although it feels a bit lacklustre when you consider how easy it was for the Lannisters to poison your wine in comparison to what Melisandre would have had to do if I had wanted you dead.

It's completely ridiculous. Roughly 50-100 people knew where the wedding was, and at least half were escorts. With the intrigue level that Renly has, the cunning of Margaery, and the vigilance of Brienne, ya'd think that at least one one of them would have thought something was up when Doran Martell sent Arbor wine to the secret wedding location.

Which plans? Capturing Eddard's the only one I can think of and that was ruined by a NPC.

Exactly?

I dunno, but regardless, it was really damn obvious.

I had locked the idea that Renly needed to be destroyed and there was no way you would side with me as long as he lived, also the iron bank was asking for 1500 a turn so I was in a rush to acquire enough lands to sustain that without becoming bankrupt.

I was neutral. NEUTRAL. The only person I don't want on the throne is Joff, and that's because his brain is the size of a walnut.

Most of my land is mountainous or forested, and the waters are far too stormy for a decent fishing industry. How did you expect my lands to help you? Or even go over to you?

[Greyblades]

Quite simple really, your faction had no heirs or relatives beyond stannis, if I killed you your faction would end and your retainers would join the remaining baratheons, and seeing as Stannis was implicated as responsable all of your retainers aside for the most diehard lannister haters would go to joffrey.
As for the land, well another recruiting ground would be nice and your forces would have made taking Highgarden easy, which is the real monemaker.

[Double A]

I think you should give Blacky and Khazaar a BIT more credit.

[Kagemusha]

Quite simple really, your faction had no heirs or relatives beyond stannis, if I killed you your faction would end and your retainers would join the remaining baratheons, and seeing as Stannis was implicated as responsable all of your retainers aside for the most diehard lannister haters would go to joffrey.
As for the land, well another recruiting ground would be nice and your forces would have made taking Highgarden easy, which is the real monemaker.

Sure.piece of cake.

[Greyblades]

It's completely ridiculous. Roughly 50-100 people knew where the wedding was, and at least half were escorts. With the intrigue level that Renly has, the cunning of Margaery, and the vigilance of Brienne, ya'd think that at least one one of them would have thought something was up when Doran Martell sent Arbor wine to the secret wedding location.

Huh thats wierd, my orders were:

5. Varys will provide a forger and a craftsman who make wax stamps who has less than exepilary morals, Maester Pycell will provide samples every wax seal and letter sent to Robert that he has kept over the years, he should have at least one example from each major lord, and Tywin will aquire a barrel of the finest Dornish wines from Robert's old wine Cellar, I am assuming he'd have left some undrunk. Tywin's own Maester will provide some Strangler crystals.
With all this I will give the Forger some of Doran Martell's and Stannis' letters as examples and order him to make out two letters in each person's handwriting. One from Doran saying the wine is a wedding present, wishing well the marriage etc.
The second will be in Stannis' handwriting giving orders to deliver the wine and Doran's letter to Storm's end with explicit instructions for the bearer not to let anyone drink the wine before it is delivered and that they will be paid twice as much if after delivering the wine and letters they go to Griffin's roost and present Stannis' letter to the lord. While he is doing that I will have the craftsman make stamps that will reproduce the seals of every lord that has sent letters to KL and one blank stamp. With the letters ready Tywin will seal Doran's letter with the copy of Doran's stamp and a wax that can pass off as Dorn's wax, he will seal Stannis' letter with the Blank stamp with black wax.
With that ready he will give the wine and letters to the most loyal Lannister soldier who is not well known enough to be recognised, (i.e. no named character) who will dress in Baratheon colours, go down the road to Storms end and wait at the border for a Trader heading to Storms end, preferably not a local. He will Pass on the wine, the letters, instructions to only open the unmarked letter and a 50 gold advance to get it done. After that I cannot plan but hopefully it will end in Renly or Margery dying at thier wedding.

Maybe that merchant got really lucky.

Sure.piece of cake.

Well maybe easy is a bit of an exaggeration but easier than I would otherwise expect, especially if I had the baratheon troops pretend to be defecting to you and then stab you in the back later.

[Double A]

The wedding was at Summer Hall. How that succeeded I will never know. You must have rolled a natural 100 on a D20.

[Montmorency]

Woah, you paid 50 gold? That's an army of 10000!

[Greyblades]

Honestly I had enough to afford the expense and it's pretty cheap price to pay if it took out Renly, I was hoping the money would provide enough incentive for the trader not to rat me out.

[Montmorency]

With that kind of sum involved, it was an offer he couldn't refuse.

[Double A]

That doesn't explain how a random merchant found out where the wedding was.

[Greyblades]

Search me, I was surprised it worked, I was half expecting the wine to be drunk by a random guard.

[The Stranger]

Nope.That was the unexpected thing. The controversial thing was what the greyjoys probably wondered also what was that. Against our orders to remain upriver oldtown until the forces of Stannis and Renly would engage the Ironborn at Whispering sounds or arrive to Old Town.Our navy decided to peace meal attack them alone when we were just about to have superior odds against them. The whole plan was to lure the Ironborn into trying to stop Stannis from coming into oldtown. Next Stannis then fought them alone after our buts were already kicked.

cuz the game is restarting now i can say this but you never had superiour odds. 1 longship was a strronga as a carrack and we had 30-40 ships at the sound...

[Double A]

That's ridiculous. Longships are the fastest thing in the sea, not the strongest.

I bet they cost less too.

[scottishranger]

Might be ridiculous but it was true haha. Cost as much as a cog and had the power of a carrack.

We woulda crushed you.

[Beskar]

Might be ridiculous but it was true haha. Cost as much as a cog and had the power of a carrack.

We woulda crushed you.

Conflicts with the Lore though. Longships rivalled that of a Caravel, but a Longship could never match a Carrack. I believe in is Dance of the Dragons? but it says how only the Iron fleet has ships which could even touch a carrack, but struggled. Only bested them due to the experience of the crew since they were the Best of the Best.

[The Stranger]

The battle of Whispering Sound:


7 carracks, 16 caravels, 37 cogs = 318 = 12
6350 foot, 1050 archers

VS

28 Longships, 790 foot, 630 archers and 10 cavalry = 300 = 15

Inconclusive Iron fleet victory.


Stannis Baratheon comes from the south east, Highgarden fleet from north east. Iron fleet from north west. Highgarden fleet is intercepted and damaged heavily, forcing it to return to Oldtown. Iron Fleet moves to attack Stannis navy and wins inconclusive victory, attempts to prevent his fleet meeting up with Tyrells at Highgarden, but fails. Blockade of Whispering Sound restarted.

Casualties:
Highgarden - 3 carracks damaged, 6 caravels damaged, 7 cogs damaged, 6 sunk. 750 foot lost, 50 archers lost.
Stannis - 1 carrack damaged, 3 caravels damaged, 5 cogs sunk. 250 foot lost, 100 archers, 5 cavalry lost.

Ironborn - 4 longships damaged, 50 foot lost, 25 archers lost.

WTH/// this is totally crazy. the ironborn ought to have the biggest fleet and the strongest too. the fact that i had so few ships i could live with cuz of their strength but that the tyrells would be able to defeat my full strength fleet... next turn?? and i mean i lost 6 longships wotrh a carrack in a surprise attack but the tyrells just lose 6 cogs in a full naval engagement...??? wth


naval warfare needs a slight fix i think.


all of this no disrespect to JHT. you did great and i was loving it. sad its restarting.

[Double A]

Yeah, it sure does need a fix. Longships are overpowered.

[The Stranger]

Conflicts with the Lore though. Longships rivalled that of a Caravel, but a Longship could never match a Carrack. I believe in is Dance of the Dragons? but it says how only the Iron fleet has ships which could even touch a carrack, but struggled. Only bested them due to the experience of the crew since they were the Best of the Best.

yes but we paid for the strengtrh with our size. and regarding how dropping and picking up soldiers work, id rather have more ships tthan stronger ones. in this case it wouldve meant more victory even cuz i had to leave a significant amount of my fleet in a part to pick up soliders which never came...

[The Stranger]

Yeah, it sure does need a fix. Longships are overpowered.

and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers... also you could easily replace your entire fleet for me every lost ship was onel ost for good. i could perhaps make 10 more longships before going bankrupt and that means i couldnt pay any upkeep for more turns.

[Montmorency]

and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers...

And he can apparently replace the whole thing in 1 turn.

[Double A]

and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers... also you could easily replace your entire fleet for me every lost ship was onel ost for good. i could perhaps make 10 more longships before going bankrupt and that means i couldnt pay any upkeep for more turns.

I'd be fine with more or cheaper longships as long as they aren't as strong as freaking carracks.

[Greyblades]

Personally I was kinda confused by the ships in general, I though westeros used galleys mostly not 2+ mast ocean going ships.

[The Stranger]

Yeah well the iron born thing was an utter cockup on my end, initially I was to pay them about 100 a turn to blockade oldtown if we went to war, keep you occupied while I picked off Renly, unfortunately I am not the best communicator and Stranger didnt understand the "if we went to war" part and attacked immediately.

actually you are wrong there. i did understand that only i had a plan of my own and i wanted to take out the tyrells asap to get naval supremacy on the west coast.