Iran, Epic Troll

**Hax** · 01-12-2012, 01:22

It might just as well not have been Israel, could have been the Mujahideen of Iran. I think they were outlawed by Khomeini and have been fighting the regime ever since.

**Vladimir** · 01-12-2012, 14:15

Originally Posted by Hax

It might just as well not have been Israel, could have been the Mujahideen of Iran. I think they were outlawed by Khomeini and have been fighting the regime ever since.

Exactly. It's sad to hear educated Westerners default to the Iranian party line. There are many groups in Iran itself that have good reason to kill government officials.

**Ronin** · 01-12-2012, 14:37

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Exactly. It's sad to hear educated Westerners default to the Iranian party line. There are many groups in Iran itself that have good reason to kill government officials.

The Iranian party line is to say, "this was those Israelis...damn them"
I´m saying "it was probably the Israelis....right on"

**Vladimir** · 01-12-2012, 18:18

Originally Posted by Ronin

The Iranian party line is to say, "this was those Israelis...damn them"
I´m saying "it was probably the Israelis....right on"

Not laying blame, just wish we reflected more in Iran's complexities. ;-)

**Hax** · 01-12-2012, 18:58

The Iranian party line is to say, "this was those Israelis...damn them"

No, you mean "the zionists". Of course, Iran doesn't acknowledge Israel's existence, there is only "Occupied Palestine".

It could have been the Saudis. The Iranians had plans to kill at least one of their diplomats last year. Saudi Arabia is arguably more afraid of a nuclear Iran than Israel is. Actually, scratch the arguably... they don't have a bomb of their own to lob back.

I don't believe that plot, the Quds force wouldn't ever do something that silly

**Fragony** · 01-12-2012, 20:03

gI don't believe that plot, the Quds force wouldn't ever do something that silly'

Saudi Arabia and Iran are allready at war

**Lemur** · 01-12-2012, 20:26

A good essay on the status quo in Iran:

No one doubts that Israeli and Western operators are behind recent assassinations of nuclear scientists on the streets of Tehran. And the sudden frequency of "accidents" at various factories and Revolutionary Guards bases (which a majority -- their government's denial notwithstanding -- also believe are the work of foreign agencies) has done nothing to change the minds of either government officials or the general public about the nuclear program.

Few in Iran believe that the nuclear program is a quest for a Shia bomb to obliterate Israel once and for all. No, the Iranian people, from my greengrocer to college students who resent their government, still consider the nuclear question in generally nationalistic terms. The particular regime in power is of passing relevance. [...]

And so life in Iran continues as it always has. The government is less powerful than it was, but the regime itself is firmly in control. The nuclear program continues; Iranians go about their business, grumbling as they do. But a nation that weathered a revolution, an eight-year war with Iraq, and more than 30 years of sanctions and the enmity of the West is not about to crumble, nor to change direction. Nothing that the United States or the West can do -- not even war -- will solve the "Iran problem" to its satisfaction. In fact, it's what the United States and its allies don't do that might be the key to the issue -- and what may also give Iranians looking to effect domestic change some badly needed breathing room.