With Great Sacrifice [Concluded]

[Ishmael]

But then, if the High Priest actually could do something useful (tell us?)

The dead cannot reveal anything, including previous night actions.

Here's my current hypothesis: There is an 'evil' god, who may or may not be a player, who provides the 'motive' for the mafia - they are trying to kill off the townies in order to serve their god or something. The townies are serving the 'good' gods, and are trying to lynch the pure one. The problem is that I'm not sure how the pure one fits in to this - is he mafia, or a third party? Maybe two of the killers are/were mafia, and the third is the pure one? I dunno.

EDIT: I stand by my vote the other day - especially when compared to other games I've been in with him, GH seems to be trying to appear helpful without actually contributing anything. However, this doesn't really mesh with my 'Chaotix is scum' theory, unless one or the other was a SK/third party.

[Visor]

Obviously the pure one is Hernan Cortez.

EDIT: I stand by my vote the other day - especially when compared to other games I've been in with him, GH seems to be trying to appear helpful without actually contributing anything. However, this doesn't really mesh with my 'Chaotix is scum' theory, unless one or the other was a SK/third party.

Possibly thrown under the bus. Though now that I think about it, the more I can convince myself of it, regardless to whether or not it is true. Chaotix is a pretty good mafia player, right? *cough* . He would know by voting for someone with the reason "You talk too much" would garner him attention. Therefore by bussing himself, he can make his mafioso teammates look good.

Or alternatively Chaotix was lazy.

Still, it's a possibility.

[Montmorency]

If there is an evil god, it's fairly obvious Chaotix is (was) associated with him.

As for the "pure one", I think it's pretty certain the High King's gone loony. We'd better look out for ourselves here.

GH seems rather imperious, but given the final exchange between him and Chaotix I don't think they could have been cooperating.

[Visor]

So who are you leaning to then?

[Montmorency]

As a confirmed innocent, Ishmael's opinion carries weight, but I need to see more speculation (as in, not from just two people).

[Ishmael]

What makes you think I'm innocent? One could consider me to be the chief butcher of the uncaring, apathetic gods .

[Montmorency]

Nah, I can't see a scenario where, given your death and role, you are actively anti-town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

khaan: When will we be seeing WoK?

[seireikhaan]

2 day phases (this included) from now. So end of the next day would be the soonest, according to my schedule.

[Lewwyn]

Damn that's a write up. So Jarema and Ishmael are dead and Chaotix is banished to hell?

I'm of the opinion that we have some real lurkers here. I mean throughout the last few days we've had so few posts, lots of people not voting or giving more than one post a day. People that aren't sticking their neck out and are hiding. Someone in that group is likely to be a killer. Of course I also still suspect edse who somehow is able to silently deflect suspicion without raising a fuss every time there's a vote on him.

Vote: edse

For now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Current alive players, along with total number of posts in the thread:

Bsmith - 6
Daveshack - 5
Edse - 9
Fluffy - 5
GeneralHankerchief - 10
Jarema - 8
Landlubber - 2
Lazy McCrow - 7
Lewwyn - 13
Montmorency - 22
Visorslash - 18
White eyes - 5
Zack - 6

Out of all of these, landlubber is probably going to be eating a lightning bolt in a day or two so we'll forget about him. The group of others with 5 or 6 posts, however, may slip by and that's bad news for us if they reach the endgame.

BSmith
DaveShack
fluffy
White_eyes:D
Zaccino
Lazy McCrow (borderline)

DaveShack's been doing a lot of noncommittal writeup interpretation. Anyone know if that's usually what he does?
Fluffy's been quiet for him. However, this is also fluffy we're talking about.
White_eyes voted for a dead guy last round, don't think he'd be the type to do that if he was mafia.

Vote: DaveShack

[Csargo]

So much for my triple-kill Mafia...

I think it's quite plain. The gods are killing us. The killers are agents of gods. It makes sense.



Meanwhile, we get 2 kills instead of 3, and Chaotix is shown being punished by some supernatural force. God of death?

At any rate, Chaotix was clearly a killer. His writeup does show that the killers are not the gods themselves, though.

The gods are having us killed off. This charade, this drought, everything, it's all a game. They're watching the mortals get massacred one by one for sport.

And to top it off we've lost the high priest, though given the circumstances I don't think there's much he could have done for us. :P

The only confusing thing: what were Yaro and Csargo? They couldn't have been gods, because they were killed. Perhaps a better case would be that they were friendly gods, or something.

What can we do about this?

I'm the friendliest friend whoever befriended you.

[DaveShack]

DaveShack's been doing a lot of noncommittal writeup interpretation. Anyone know if that's usually what he does?

Yes, that's exactly what I do. I'm pretty damn useless when I'm a vanilla townie, because I don't have any idea what to do when there's no information.
One game, I had a role that limited me to 5 posts per day phase. On some people that would be a serious restriction, I'd only care if it was a role where I had to post more than twice.

[Ishmael]

One game, I had a role that limited me to 5 posts per day phase.

Somebody needs to give that role to ATPG or Montmorency some time .

[LazyMcCrow]

Current alive players, along with total number of posts in the thread:

Bsmith - 6
Daveshack - 5
Edse - 9
Fluffy - 5
GeneralHankerchief - 10
Jarema - 8
Landlubber - 2
Lazy McCrow - 7
Lewwyn - 13
Montmorency - 22
Visorslash - 18
White eyes - 5
Zack - 6

Out of all of these, landlubber is probably going to be eating a lightning bolt in a day or two so we'll forget about him. The group of others with 5 or 6 posts, however, may slip by and that's bad news for us if they reach the endgame.

BSmith
DaveShack
fluffy
White_eyes:D
Zaccino
Lazy McCrow (borderline)

DaveShack's been doing a lot of noncommittal writeup interpretation. Anyone know if that's usually what he does?
Fluffy's been quiet for him. However, this is also fluffy we're talking about.
White_eyes voted for a dead guy last round, don't think he'd be the type to do that if he was mafia.

Vote: DaveShack

My dear General: After accusing you of being TOO townie, I took my vote off you because I have complete sympathy regarding your OOC complaints about the 'state of mafia games today'. I really hope that you weren't/aren't pulling the wool over our eyes with that line, but I'm choosing to believe you for now as you have posted some helpful stuff. If you had'nt posted by now I would have definitely put my vote back on you today. However, there is still the problem that you are almost top of my list for setting off alarm bells when it comes to 'intuitive scum-reading' - If either Visor or Monty are scum then I'll eat my own heart. Daveshack seemed a good option but I like his response. Fluffy's 'I eat pain' comment in a previous post stood out for me, but a mere FoS at that crazy mother for now. Nope - TOp of the pops when it comes to tickling my tingleys is Lewwyn. Something about the 'righteousness' that seems a bit forced.
Vote: Lewwyn

[LazyMcCrow]

Oh yeah - I reposted your list because you still have Jarema listed as 'alive' - also Ishamel is still listed as both alive and attacked in Khaans write-up post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Somebody needs to give that role to ATPG or Montmorency some time .

Lynch this guy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yes, that's exactly what I do. I'm pretty damn useless when I'm a vanilla townie, because I don't have any idea what to do when there's no information.
One game, I had a role that limited me to 5 posts per day phase. On some people that would be a serious restriction, I'd only care if it was a role where I had to post more than twice.

What's your opinion on what's been going on in the thread this past couple of rounds?

[Lewwyn]

Something about the 'righteousness' that seems a bit forced.
Vote: Lewwyn

That's fine. I do want to give you a bit of background about that righteousness in gaming though.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5510

That's a link to a Realms Beyond Mafia game that I'm currently in. It put this one to shame. It's still on the first day and there are already 282 posts from 17 players and the host. Most posts are longer and informative, inquisitive and legitimately argumentative even on day 1. Everyone posts or you get lynched. It's pretty much the exact opposite from here. It's one of the reasons I get upset when no one is posting or I get attacked because I post. I guess one of the differences is there are is no out of thread communication unless you are in a scum pack. It makes it harder on the village, and thus one of the reasons everyone pushes so hard in thread. If you want to know where my "righteousness" comes from its knowing the difference between the games.

[Visor]

Not to defend my scumbag friend here, but Lewwyn typically adopts this stance. At least from the Island point of view. Which he was mafia. But that's besides the point.

Also Lewwyn, different people, different site, different kind of play, etc all make for a different game.

Regardless, an important fact to remember is that the more you talk, the more likely you are to slip as scum or make a mistake. Which is why that tactic works. However, it will no doubt catch townies too, and the fact that we always have lurkers should not be a surprise to you. The length of the days may also have something to do with it. I do like discussion, and I post a lot, or at least I used to before life intervened.

Regardless of this, I'm not suspicious because of the fact you post, I'm suspicious of what you said. And to hide behind a lurker crusade is easy for scum, even if they start it, because often lynching all lurkers is a win-win situation for scumbags.

[Lewwyn]

Not to defend my scumbag friend here, but Lewwyn typically adopts this stance. At least from the Island point of view. Which he was mafia. But that's besides the point.

Yep. I also adopted this stance in Buffy, where I was townie. It's just sort of who I am.

[Visor]

Everyone has some kind of playstyle. I wish I had played against you in a more talkative game, but I've always been on your side I believe, out of the one game we've played together.

Though interestingly enough, your killchoices there (Island) may also relate back to here. Sasaki, ATPG, etc. Now Csargo and Yaro, both experienced at mafia and good at it. Ishamel and Jarrema are also not lurkers and they do play the game.

It (was or something like that) an unread rule that you don't kill the oldies/experienced night one, or at least that's what I've ascertained. I know you had no problem with that one.

Something to consider, anyway.

[Ishmael]

Visorslash, normally I hate to bring up WIFOM as it's a tired and overused argument, but I think this is an example where it applies. I can't see that any conclusions can be drawn from reading into the kill choices (but knowing my luck, you'll be 100% correct).

[Visor]

Visorslash, normally I hate to bring up WIFOM as it's a tired and overused argument, but I think this is an example where it applies. I can't see that any conclusions can be drawn from reading into the kill choices (but knowing my luck, you'll be 100% correct).

I'm not using it as an argument for anything. I'm saying it as something to consider. Note that I'm voting GH at the moment.

@edse

Talk, buddy.

@Zaccino

You too.

@BSmith

etc.

@White_eyes:D

And you.

[edse]

I'm not using it as an argument for anything. I'm saying it as something to consider. Note that I'm voting GH at the moment.

@edse

Talk, buddy.

@Zaccino

You too.

@BSmith

etc.

@White_eyes:D

And you.

Oh, that's why you write so funny!

Wait a minute and I'll post...

[Visor]

Oh, that's why you write so funny!

I know my grammar is atrocious, is that what you mean?

[edse]

I know my grammar is atrocious, is that what you mean?

No, I meant the mentioning thing.

I'm gonna let Montmorency go for a while since no one will help me with him. Today's posts from him has also made me doubt his guiltyness from previous days.

Vote: White_eyes:D for now

[Visor]

Why White eyes?

[edse]

Why White eyes?

Only because he voted Csargo yesterday. That's a very weak reasoning so I will most likely change my vote later.

One key question that needs to be answered in order to find scum is "Was Chaotix good or evil?"

[Visor]

Only because he voted Csargo yesterday. That's a very weak reasoning so I will most likely change my vote later.

One key question that needs to be answered in order to find scum is "Was Chaotix good or evil?"

Ah, YOU voted for Atheotes day 2.

So you're voting him like a hypocrite...?