With Great Sacrifice [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Happy birthday to the overseer, for he has approved what follows:

Alright, you scumbags. You think you can get me lynched on the sly? Not even the courtesy of a night-kill?

And don't think I'm not wise to you, GH. I wanted to have you killed N3, before my champion got himself lynched.

By the way: Mictlantecutl, I ordered the hit on you. You were acting a little Godlike.

I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl. Chaotix was my killer. I know that GH is a killer.

It seems in my "speculations" I hit too close to the truth, and you guessed my identity.

I'm the friendliest friend whoever befriended you.

Vote Montmorency a little bird told me he is special.

But cut the crap - you can't vote.

So here's the deal: everything you have heard thus far, from GH, Yaropolk, Csargo, myself, Chaotix, and one other among you, has been bullcrap.

I'm one of three gods here. We get a follower, and he kills for us. Csargo and Yaropolk were killed N2. I am the last god standing, but the other gods still have their killers in the field.

I am bound by the oaths of the wager against revealing our winning conditions. Suffice to say that we are working against each other, and the only way town can win is if we simultaneously kill each other. Town is not the driver here. Town is merely a backdrop to our activities. It's the flavor of the game.

If you don't lynch me now, I will be night-killed. All I want to do is take down GH. Whether he's Mict's or Quetzl's puppet, I don't care. I just want to take down one more of these guys.

It matters not. Third killer, I do not know you. But whoever is lynched here, make the appropriate kill. You've already won.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Are you Quetzl's, GH? That's what I would expect, on meta principles.

Vote: General Hankerchief

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: General Hankerchief

For the sun god!

[Visor]

So let me get this straight, there are 3 gods who have three killers.

2 gods are dead and one killer is dead?

So we have one god you and apparently one killer GH

So then we are left with one killer, right?

[Montmorency]

Yes, one killer besides. No idea who that one is, so he deserves to win IMO.

I had that boiling since the morning, but some stuff did have to be redacted.

THE GOD OF WAR WILL NOT BE BEATEN WITH CLEVER ONE-LINERS

[Visor]

Yes, one killer besides. No idea who that one is, so he deserves to win IMO.

Hahahaha no. You can rip out my beating heart before I let mafia win. Knowing me, that will happen.

Town victory is what I'm looking for.

[Lewwyn]

I am bound by the oaths of the wager against revealing our winning conditions. Suffice to say that we are working against each other, and the only way town can win is if we simultaneously kill each other. Town is not the driver here. Town is merely a backdrop to our activities. It's the flavor of the game.

If you don't lynch me now, I will be night-killed. All I want to do is take down GH. Whether he's Mict's or Quetzl's puppet, I don't care. I just want to take down one more of these guys.

Wait what? There's no win condition? Except if simultaneous killing by the Gods themselves? But if we lynch you, isn't there a chance the town can win since from what you say, the two killers will be alive and possibly kill each other?

We have half an hour right?

[Visor]

No they have winning conditions, but they can't reveal them.

Actually. Why don't we just lynch all the bloody gods now.

ll I can really say is that it would take simultaneous elimination for town victory.

I doubt that. Town has to be given a fair chance of winning and the chance of three people killing exactly themselves through other people or what have you is quite small. So no, I think you are wrong.

[Yaropolk]

I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl.
. . .
But cut the crap - you can't vote.

You should go read the wiki article on Mictlantecutl . . . it would illuminate you.

[Montmorency]

Ah, aren't you forgetting a particularly important clause concerning our conduct?

QED

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you're working against each other, how do you know so much about the other gods and their killers? Especially in what, round 3? I like to think that I know khaan pretty well, and I know he's always hated detectives and other roles with the potential for omniscience, which is essentially what you're claiming.

[Montmorency]

Role Pm. Ask your buddy to show it to ya.

Also, Yaropolk admitted as much.

[GeneralHankerchief]

NO QUOTING HOST'S PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S-You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word. You may quote pm's from other players.

How convenient for you.

[Montmorency]

Except that it doesn't violate those rules.

Very well, I'll bow out. Go ahead and wriggle your way out of this, I won't raise my voice against you any longer.

[LazyMcCrow]

Happy birthday to the overseer, for he has approved what follows:

Alright, you scumbags. You think you can get me lynched on the sly? Not even the courtesy of a night-kill?

And don't think I'm not wise to you, GH. I wanted to have you killed N3, before my champion got himself lynched.

By the way: Mictlantecutl, I ordered the hit on you. You were acting a little Godlike.

I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl. Chaotix was my killer. I know that GH is a killer.

It seems in my "speculations" I hit too close to the truth, and you guessed my identity.




But cut the crap - you can't vote.

So here's the deal: everything you have heard thus far, from GH, Yaropolk, Csargo, myself, Chaotix, and one other among you, has been bullcrap.

I'm one of three gods here. We get a follower, and he kills for us. Csargo and Yaropolk were killed N2. I am the last god standing, but the other gods still have their killers in the field.

I am bound by the oaths of the wager against revealing our winning conditions. Suffice to say that we are working against each other, and the only way town can win is if we simultaneously kill each other. Town is not the driver here. Town is merely a backdrop to our activities. It's the flavor of the game.

If you don't lynch me now, I will be night-killed. All I want to do is take down GH. Whether he's Mict's or Quetzl's puppet, I don't care. I just want to take down one more of these guys.

It matters not. Third killer, I do not know you. But whoever is lynched here, make the appropriate kill. You've already won.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Are you Quetzl's, GH? That's what I would expect, on meta principles.

Vote: General Hankerchief

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

[edse]

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

You are, don't even try to defend yourself.

[BSmith]

I agree that the killer needs to be killed first. unvote; vote: GeneralHankerchief. If Monty is to be believed then he will likely be killed tonight by the third killer, leaving us to find the last killer the hard way.

[DaveShack]

Can't remember if I've voted, so play it safe Unvote.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief I was split between him and Lewwyn before, might as well carry through with that and see what happens.

[Csargo]

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

Letting Monty live is a terrible idea, since he may be able to recruit another champion.

[BSmith]

If that is the case, wouldn't he have done that on N3 after Chaotix was lynched? Or if it is a day recruitment, it would be today. Either way we are already too late to prevent that. Better to kill the killer now and reduce the deaths tonight in my opinion, and run the risk of another recruitment, even though it is less likely.

[Csargo]

There won't be a tomorrow.

[seireikhaan]

Round over. Writeup will be posted in a bit.

[LazyMcCrow]

There won't be a tomorrow.

Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

[Csargo]

Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

I don't think I was supposed to say that. Breaking rules and whatnot.

[BSmith]

Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

[Csargo]

Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

You win by default if you're alive basically.