Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
I find this analysis most...disagreeable. Heck, if the US wanted the European powers to harm eachother as much as possible, it would have been far wiser to just stay out entirely. That might have given the Germans the opportunity to exploit their success of the 1918 offensive; which they couldn't in real life, partly due to the American additions of manpower.
It is, after all, what every powerful nation has done to its powerful neighbours since time began. Brtiain supported Portugal and Spain against Napoleon not only because Napoleon was the aggressor and his troops wer especially keen on rape and pillage, but also because Britain did not want a large power Bloc in Europe. Yay EU.

America only entered the War, both times, when German/Axis actions became intollerable and directly harmed American interests. In both cases it was recognised that this was deliberate, it was resented at the time and has been ever since. Further, the US required certain concessions from Britain and France before entering both wars, and in order to keep the subsequent peace.

Hell, you guys are always banging on about America doing this that and the other for oil, why it so hard to believe it did the same for iron or coal?

Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
When I said Germany, I did so based on the criteria given above, from the 1500's and up.

My answer is still Germany.


Even though I would've loved it to be France...
Leaving asside that "Germany" did not exist, how so?

As far as I can see even those post-1500 innovations Germany actually came up with are heavily forshadowed elsewhere, including Lutheranism.

I suppose the printing press came from Mainz, but otherwise the cupboard fairly bare.