First the Koran Burnings, Now This; I Think We're Donesies in the 'Stan

[Centurion1]

And there it is... reason one why it isn't working over there.

All they'll do is hang him, so why not hand him over?

Nice to know you value his life over the people he killed.

No I just believe in fair and western justice. He WILL die if found guilty by the military. And he will receive a FAIR trial. If he is tried by the barbarians he will not receive a fair trial and he will die all the same albeit in a more gruesome manner which is completely irrelevant.

[Husar]

No I just believe in fair and western justice. He WILL die if found guilty by the military. And he will receive a FAIR trial. If he is tried by the barbarians he will not receive a fair trial and he will die all the same albeit in a more gruesome manner which is completely irrelevant.

Bin Laden didn't get a fair trial, so why should this mass murderer get one?

[Centurion1]

Bin Laden didn't get a fair trial, so why should this mass murderer get one?

Strawman!

Completely different scenarios. Bin Laden is an established enemy of the country engaged in armed resistance and attempting to kill us with his legions of men and resources. This guy is one single man.

More importantly this man turned himself in and surrendered willingly. Bin Laden died in combat. Do you think we should shoot him in the head now to make it more comparable to Bin Laden?

I didn't see you complaining when the norwegian shooter was taken into custody? Is that man due a fair trial?

Then why isnt this man?

Please bring something more substantial to the table next time.

[rory_20_uk]

Bin Laden died in combat.

As long as the term "combat" means that there was a gun in the same room as Bin Laden, as I believe that he was unarmed at the time he was assassinated in an illegal raid in a foreign sovereign power (illegality as defined by both Pakistani, UN and American law).

[Vladimir]

As long as the term "combat" means that there was a gun in the same room as Bin Laden, as I believe that he was unarmed at the time he was assassinated in an illegal raid in a foreign sovereign power (illegality as defined by both Pakistani, UN and American law).

We're not equating illegal with bad are we?

[rory_20_uk]

No. But if one gets into basing who can go around killing people on whether it is "bad" nor not, whose definition of "bad" do we use? That is one of the main reason for having laws in the first place. Most countries answer this question with "mine", so of course every one plays by the rules unless they don't feel like doing so.

[Husar]

Strawman!

Oh really?

Completely different scenarios. Bin Laden is an established enemy of the country engaged in armed resistance and attempting to kill us with his legions of men and resources. This guy is one single man.

Bin Laden isn't the Taliban, or wasn't. Bin Laden was the head of a terrorist/criminal group, it's like saying the mafia in New York are an established enemy of the country and then firing away at them with drones.
Flying airplanes into a building and going to a village and shooting 14 people are both acts of terrorism and mass murder. By your standard the soldier is an enemy of the afghan state and they should just blow up his prison and say the guards are collateral damage.

More importantly this man turned himself in and surrendered willingly. Bin Laden died in combat. Do you think we should shoot him in the head now to make it more comparable to Bin Laden?

Oh yes, surrendering surely makes it better. I don't see why you should try to make it more comparable to Bin Laden?

I didn't see you complaining when the norwegian shooter was taken into custody? Is that man due a fair trial?

Then why isnt this man?

He surely is, I just liked the hypocrisy concerning Bin Laden, if it's an afghan who is the criminal he is demonized and shot without trial, but if the criminal is an american then he deserves a fair trial.
Don't the people in gitmo deserve a fair trial? What about the people who were abducted and sent to secret CIA torture camps? Didn't they deserve a fair trial? Or does that depend on the passport one owns?

I didn't see you argue loudly that the people sent to gitmo would deserve a fair trial, why now?

Please bring something more substantial to the table next time.

Please try to apply a universal standard next time.

[Papewaio]

No I just believe in fair and western justice. He WILL die if found guilty by the military. And he will receive a FAIR trial. If he is tried by the barbarians he will not receive a fair trial and he will die all the same albeit in a more gruesome manner which is completely irrelevant.

Bin Laden? Oops shoulder cam failed, "watch out that wild animal is charging" bang, shoulder cam back on "He went for his gun, honest guv"

My Lai, one of several apparently, at least 347 killed by US troops (500+ according to the locals). One guy paroled for 3 and a half years. 25 other soldiers let go because they had left the service.

Gitmo, nuff said.

We ain't exactly above looking after our own and giving payback to those that have crossed us. Totally natural and understandable, just not a 100% case of we are the just and free.