With Great Sacrifice [Concluded]

[Lewwyn]

Well, this:

Gentlemen, we have our killer.

Vote:edse

Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

[LazyMcCrow]

Well, this:



Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

I'm still waiting for further explanation on that post White_Eyes:D?
Given that a tie is resolved by a tie-breaking vote, we may find out if Gods' Votes count this round, because I'm not sure which to vote for if it comes down to me to break the tie. I guess if I have to choose, that I'd vote White_Eyes:D rather than edse if he doesn't have anything further to say.

[BSmith]

I agree. I am quite tempted to change my vote to White_Eyes given he still hasn't contributed much to the discussion, even after we have given him a lot of grief over it.

How about it White_Eyes?

[Yaropolk]

vote: edse

[BSmith]

Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

[Chaotix]

Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

No, but you are!

ZING!

[LazyMcCrow]

No, but you are!

ZING!

lol! Zing indeed! If Yaro is voting edse, it is because he wants us to think White_Eyes:D is his champion. Which means of course that his champion must be Lewwyn, BSmith or myself. I find myself agreeing with the dead killer Chaotix. WHo would Yaropolk have recruited to be his kiler? - BSmith. My vote stays on BSmith, I would urge everyone to join me in lynching him.

[Montmorency]

That is a correct opinion.

[edse]

Unvote: Vote: BSmith Lazy's reasoning makes sense.

Tally
2 edse: Bsmith, White_eyes
2 BSmith: LazyMcCrow, edse
1 White_eyes: Lewwyn

[BSmith]

It doesn't make it right though...

[BSmith]

I am also pretty sure that the gods want all of us dead, so they are going to sow as much confusion as they can to preserve the one killer as long as they can in hopes that they can still win.

[Montmorency]

Mmm, that's why we killed each other. Right-o.

[LazyMcCrow]

.....

Bah - I nearly changed my mind then. The other option is of course that Yaropolk voted for his own Champion in order to hide him better. It would help to know if a Gods vote means anything. I guess if it did then MOnty's vote for BSmith would already tip the balance in favour of his lynch :/ Not sure what to do at all.

[Visor]

Vote: Lewwyn

Just kidding, I'm kinda dead.

Kill edse.

[BSmith]

When did we start editing posts that had votes in them (or unvotes for that matter)?

[Visor]

I'm dead.

[BSmith]

I'm not talking about you. ;)

[DaveShack]

Can I join the dead voting thing too?

Nah, tempting but don't want to sow any more confusion. I will point out that I became a target after I called Edse out. Though as always in mafia, could be misdirection.

[DaveShack]

Though the saying I was the only one he saw as innocent was interesting. But that leads to endless WIFOM, so I'll be interested to see what happens.

[Lewwyn]

lol! Zing indeed! If Yaro is voting edse, it is because he wants us to think White_Eyes:D is his champion. Which means of course that his champion must be Lewwyn, BSmith or myself. I find myself agreeing with the dead killer Chaotix. WHo would Yaropolk have recruited to be his kiler? - BSmith. My vote stays on BSmith, I would urge everyone to join me in lynching him.

But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

[White_eyes:D]

I have no idea what is going on.

I just saw edse defending Monty last round as scummy and went off that. I mean can any of you honestly tell me you think anyone is "innocent" at this point?

Come on, edse is scum. I would bet my kitten's future on it.

[Montmorency]

If edse is scum, his defending me is not a reliable tell - my buddy is long-dead.

Why would my enemy both abstain from killing me and work against my lynch?

[White_eyes:D]

If edse is scum, his defending me is not a reliable tell - my buddy is long-dead.

Why would my enemy both abstain from killing me and work against my lynch?

You see? Your still trying to defend your scum buddies. I guess Chaotix must have mistakenly rubbed off on you....Town we are at the 10 yard mark, lynch edse and let's finish this.

[Montmorency]

Have you actually been following what has happened prior to this round?

[White_eyes:D]

No, too much thinking when I fail to understand Aztec lore makes my head hurt...just going off in-thread behavior.

[LazyMcCrow]

But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

I agree - it can be taken both ways. And sorry BSmith, I did actually change my vote off you to edse last night and then changed my mind back again and then edited that post, but now I'm thinking that White_Eyes:D looks guiltier than edse - If White_Eyes:D HAS just semi-lurked his way through, its because we've done his work for him. However, both edse and then Lewwyn have responded to the call to lynch BSmith:

2 edse: Bsmith, White_eyes (+Yaropolk)
3 BSmith: LazyMcCrow, edse, Lewwyn (+Monty)

I don't think Gods votes will count. Otherwise Csargo would be doing so too. So it is now pretty much impossible to lynch White_Eyes:D in the next couple of hours. I'm incredibly torn between my vote on BSmith and switching to edse., with White_Eyes:D a little less suspicious and Lewwyn seems least of all. Still completely open to a decent argument if anyone has one.

[edse]

The last couple of posts from White_eyes are really weird, feels like someone grasping a straw.

[LazyMcCrow]

The last couple of posts from White_eyes are really weird, feels like someone grasping a straw.

Yeah - but I've drunk so much wine already that this one from you feels just the same.

[edse]

Yeah - but I've drunk so much wine already that this one from you feels just the same.

Yeah I know, that's the problem with saying anything at all. It's better to stay quiet and survive like White_eyes has done.

[BSmith]

But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

It is probably already too late to change anyone’s mind here, as the day is almost over. But I am fairly certain that the bolded part is the correct answer here.

After I am dead and the killings continue – because they will – then we need to stop and take a hard look at this and keep following our instincts. We have several good cases against two players, but we are failing to follow through on those cases and are instead allowing our paranoia and insecurity to creep in and allow us to be directed by individuals that we know do not share our VC.