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[Sarmatian]

I don't believe that. They steal most of the technology they need and likely couldn't fill in the gaps by themselves. That, and their government couldn't handle failure of such an important mission.

That's your prerogative but the moon landing was a publicity stunt mostly. Yes, it does rouse the human spirit, in a climbing Mont Everest kind of way, but it had little practical purpose.

It is also quite ludicrous to claim that Soviets stole most of their space technology. In 2012, USA and EU use Russian rockets to get stuff in space, not the other way around.

[Vladimir]

That's your prerogative but the moon landing was a publicity stunt mostly. Yes, it does rouse the human spirit, in a climbing Mont Everest kind of way, but it had little practical purpose.

It is also quite ludicrous to claim that Soviets stole most of their space technology. In 2012, USA and EU use Russian rockets to get stuff in space, not the other way around.

The Soviets stole most of their technology, period. Their command economy couldn't take full advantage of it. The pride of great nations is a bit more than a publicity stunt. Now we have sports, then we had space. Which one matters more?

Russian rockets are little more than converted ICBMs and most certainly NOT a result of any technological supremacy.

[Sarmatian]

The Soviets stole most of their technology, period. Their command economy couldn't take full advantage of it. The pride of great nations is a bit more than a publicity stunt. Now we have sports, then we had space. Which one matters more?

Russian rockets are little more than converted ICBMs and most certainly NOT a result of any technological supremacy.

Edgy today?

If by stole, you mean from the Germans, both USA and USSR are guilty of that but both had rocket technologies prior to that and both added to that afterward. The best ww2 rocket launcher was a Soviet one, definitely not stolen from the Germans. That command economy sent the first object into space, first living being into space, first human into space, built the first permanently manned space station (and its technology is still dominant in other stations) etc...

I shudder to think what would it be like if they were able to take "full advantage" of it.

Sports analogy is spot on!

[Vladimir]

Edgy today?

If by stole, you mean from the Germans, both USA and USSR are guilty of that but both had rocket technologies prior to that and both added to that afterward. The best ww2 rocket launcher was a Soviet one, definitely not stolen from the Germans. That command economy sent the first object into space, first living being into space, first human into space, built the first permanently manned space station (and its technology is still dominant in other stations) etc...

I shudder to think what would it be like if they were able to take "full advantage" of it.

Sports analogy is spot on!

No. EDGY TODAY!

Let's start with the most gentile of showers where the water flowed delicately out of the showerhead and moistened my skin this morning. I had to keep checking to make sure it wasn't yellow, not that I would know what's that like or anything .

But no, really, read up on your Cold War history. The only way the Soviet military maintained a near technological parity with the west was through espionage. More delicately, but in equal volume, to what China does today.

[gaelic cowboy]

But no, really, read up on your Cold War history. The only way the Soviet military maintained a near technological parity with the west was through espionage. More delicately, but in equal volume, to what China does today.

I thought there was some academic debate that the soviet programme was possibly a proof of convergent thought.

Beforehand the soviets might conclude atomic bombs were impossible but now they knew it could be done so they merely had to craft an answer.

It's like how writing might have developed because people knew writing was possible.

[Vladimir]

I thought there was some academic debate that the soviet programme was possibly a proof of convergent thought.

Beforehand the soviets might conclude atomic bombs were impossible but now they knew it could be done so they merely had to craft an answer.

It's like how writing might have developed because people knew writing was possible.

There were a lot of brilliant Soviet scientists but they couldn't afford proper research so they had to take shortcuts.

[Sarmatian]

No. EDGY TODAY!

Let's start with the most gentile of showers where the water flowed delicately out of the showerhead and moistened my skin this morning. I had to keep checking to make sure it wasn't yellow, not that I would know what's that like or anything .

Ok, sorry. On a day like that , you certainly don't need me proving you wrong.

[Vladimir]

Ok, sorry. On a day like that , you certainly don't need me proving you wrong.

Yes, I know.