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    Unmarried men have no knowledge of marriages, married life, families, women or children. They are fundamentally flawed from the outset in their pastoral care. It also selects against balanced individuals who want a marriage and a family. Quoting a book from the bible merely shows the lack of insight that is shown - someone out to say why their choices are right. Nothing shows this better than the rulings on celibacy - getting a task force of the celibate to say what to do. A group of married men and women with grown up children would have a far more realistic take on this.

    Although no women were apostles, there were many women who had important roles within early Christianity, yet was increasingly sidelined - and this of course ignoring the selection of early texts that took place that indicates women had a far more substantial role.

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    Default Re: Church leaders do not believe in a literal understanding of the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Unmarried men have no knowledge of marriages, married life, families, women or children. They are fundamentally flawed from the outset in their pastoral care.
    Flawed how?

    It also selects against balanced individuals who want a marriage and a family. Quoting a book from the bible merely shows the lack of insight that is shown - someone out to say why their choices are right. Nothing shows this better than the rulings on celibacy - getting a task force of the celibate to say what to do. A group of married men and women with grown up children would have a far more realistic take on this.
    The conflict of interests is undeniable when it comes to married clergy.

    Although no women were apostles, there were many women who had important roles within early Christianity, yet was increasingly sidelined - and this of course ignoring the selection of early texts that took place that indicates women had a far more substantial role.
    The fact remains: Jesus deliberately chose only men. It does not imply that women are incapable of doing the priestly duties, but Jesus only chose men.
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    Every time I see articles like this where people believe these stories word for word I thank god for leading me to
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    rvg surely 1 Timothy 3:2 is an example of the scripture approving of bishops having wives?

    Also for what it's worth, Catholic Eastern Rite priests usually are married, and there are Latin Rite priests that are married having converted from Protestantism.
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    Default Re: Church leaders do not believe in a literal understanding of the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfhylwyr View Post
    rvg surely 1 Timothy 3:2 is an example of the scripture approving of bishops having wives?

    Also for what it's worth, Catholic Eastern Rite priests usually are married, and there are Latin Rite priests that are married having converted from Protestantism.
    Orthodox priests get married, yes. They get married *before* they become priests though. There are Eastern Rite Catholic priests that are married, but most are celibate. And yes, married Anglican ministers are allowed to become full fledged Catholic priests. Nonetheless, the fact that married clergy exists does not subtract from the fact that a married man has to split his duties between God and family while an unmarried man can totally dedicate himself to God. Doesn't mean that married clergy is bad or anything like that, but a married man has to think about putting food on the table, providing for his wife and children.
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