The trial of Anders Behring Breivik

**HoreTore** · 03-25-2012, 01:05

They're treated as different crimes when it comes to compensqting the victims though.

As for the mental health bill, the BBC also got it wrong; our mental health bill started a many, many yeara ago, and it will probably never be finished. The debate on when and how to use force won't be ended in the foreseeable future. It's amended every single year. One year, those who want more force in mental hospitals ain the upper hand. The next year their opponents get the upper hand, and so it drags on forever and ever.

ABB is looking at many years in prison(seems most likely right now) or an institution. When the day comes that the mental bill matters to him, the odds that the rules are the same are astronomically small.

**Fragony** · 03-25-2012, 11:20

Originally Posted by HoreTore

They're treated as different crimes when it comes to compensqting the victims though.

As for the mental health bill, the BBC also got it wrong; our mental health bill started a many, many yeara ago, and it will probably never be finished. The debate on when and how to use force won't be ended in the foreseeable future. It's amended every single year. One year, those who want more force in mental hospitals ain the upper hand. The next year their opponents get the upper hand, and so it drags on forever and ever.

ABB is looking at many years in prison(seems most likely right now) or an institution. When the day comes that the mental bill matters to him, the odds that the rules are the same are astronomically small.

Problem is that he isn't insane, what he did makes perfect sense it's an act of war, he whiped out the next generation of the enemy. It may be twisted but it's not insane. Should have killed him on the spot, now you will have to play by your own rules

**HoreTore** · 03-25-2012, 12:39

Originally Posted by Fragony

Problem is that he isn't insane, what he did makes perfect sense it's an act of war, he whiped out the next generation of the enemy. It may be twisted but it's not insane. Should have killed him on the spot, now you will have to play by your own rules

I prefer psychiatrists to make that decision. But as things look now, I believe he will be found sane.

**The Stranger** · 03-25-2012, 14:22

Originally Posted by HoreTore

I prefer psychiatrists to make that decision. But as things look now, I believe he will be found sane.

why... sif they know more about it.

**Viking** · 03-25-2012, 17:04

Originally Posted by HoreTore

But as things look now, I believe he will be found sane.

If the second psychatric assessment reaches the same conclusion as the first one, I don't really see that. And if it doesn't, then what.

**HoreTore** · 03-25-2012, 17:30

Originally Posted by Viking

If the second psychatric assessment reaches the same conclusion as the first one, I don't really see that. And if it doesn't, then what.

The prosecutor has opened up for asking for prison sentence regardless of what any report says. The defence is going to try its best to prove sanity. In other words, both defender and accuser wants prison sentence, and its far from given that an expert opinion will trump that.

For ABB to be found insane, the second report has to find him insane AND the court will have to go against both the defence and the prosecution. This means that the odds are he will be found sane and sent to prison, as the situation stands right now. Also, an insanity verdict will be appealed, but a prison sentence won't.

With a second report finding him insane, the odds will change of course. But even in that situation, I believe the odds are still slightly in favour of prison.

**Viking** · 03-27-2012, 16:20

A image supposed to be from the 1800s shows a familiar face. (check the upload date: 3 October 2008).

The image was originally thought to show a Norwegian master thief (Ole Høiland), but back in 2010, this was found out not to be the case. An article using the image back in 2009 can be found here. Amusing.

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The prosecutor has opened up for asking for prison sentence regardless of what any report says. The defence is going to try its best to prove sanity. In other words, both defender and accuser wants prison sentence, and its far from given that an expert opinion will trump that.

For ABB to be found insane, the second report has to find him insane AND the court will have to go against both the defence and the prosecution. This means that the odds are he will be found sane and sent to prison, as the situation stands right now. Also, an insanity verdict will be appealed, but a prison sentence won't.

With a second report finding him insane, the odds will change of course. But even in that situation, I believe the odds are still slightly in favour of prison.

I was given the impression that it is unusal for verdicts to go against the psychiatric assessment; or something like that.

**HoreTore** · 03-27-2012, 20:31

It IS unusual for a court to go against an expert opinion(remember the debate on experts about a year ago), but it does happen from time to time, and this case in anything but usual.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first time since Hamsun a defendant has gone against an expert stating insanity.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-27-2012, 20:46

Originally Posted by Viking

A image supposed to be from the 1800s shows a familiar face. (check the upload date: 3 October 2008).

The image was originally thought to show a Norwegian master thief (Ole Høiland), but back in 2010, this was found out not to be the case. An article using the image back in 2009 can be found here. Amusing.

Wait... what was all that about?!