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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuuvi View Post
    The declaration of human rights is all fine and dandy, but who voted for it? I'd prefer it was democratic before it trumps any and all constitutions.
    Who voted for it? Assuming you are over 18, you did.

    Membership in the UN means accepting that the human rights trumps any of your own laws. Any country is of course free to leave the UN, and since the US is a democracy, you are of course free to start a "leave the UN"-party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Membership in the UN means accepting that the human rights trumps any of your own laws.
    Says who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Says who?
    America does every time they use UN rules to invade a place or pressure say the government of Myanmar or put sanctions on Iran the list goes on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    America does every time they use UN rules to invade a place.
    Your statement begs the question. Give me an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Your statement begs the question. Give me an example.
    Do I really need to google every resolution for proof or can we just leave it at Iraq 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    Do I really need to google every resolution for proof or can we just leave it at Iraq 2003
    And how exactly is the invasion of Iraq tied to the U.N. declaration of human rights?
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    Oh you two, get a room! gaelic is suggesting that by requesting, voting for and acting on UN resolutions we are implicitly accepting UN supra-national authority, a debatable point. rvg is saying "nuh-uh."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Says who?
    Not sure which part you ask about, so I'll answer both:

    Who decides that being a member in the UN means accepting he UNHCR? The UN does. If you don't sccept, you can't be a member.

    Who decides that the UNHCR is above any other law? The UNHCR does. The preamble, article 2 and article 30 says where, when and to whom it applies.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Not sure which part you ask about, so I'll answer both:

    Who decides that being a member in the UN means accepting he UNHCR? The UN does. If you don't sccept, you can't be a member.

    Who decides that the UNHCR is above any other law? The UNHCR does. The preamble, article 2 and article 30 says where, when and to whom it applies.
    Interesting... Let's take a look at the point #7 of the Article 2, Chapter 1:

    Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.[1]
    i.e. it's none of the UN's damn business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Interesting... Let's take a look at the point #7 of the Article 2, Chapter 1:



    i.e. it's none of the UN's damn business.
    I see little future for you as a lawyer.

    Edit: nor do I see a future for myself as alanguage teacher, but I already knew that. Where the abbreviation "unhcr" came from, I will never know. I was, of course, referring to the declaration of human rights, UDHR. I may have been thinking "un human rights commission" or something, but I blame it on the coke.
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    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    I see little future for you as a lawyer.
    Rest easy, I'm not a lawyer. Nonetheless, my point stands.
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Rest easy, I'm not a lawyer. Nonetheless, my point stands.
    If your point stands, I suggest you visit China's embassy. I'm quite sure they're interested in knowing how to argue that the human rights does not apply to them. Should earn a living on that.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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