2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[a completely inoffensive name]

What? Nixon was Mr Big government. I get the basic idea. I think it's less of a big deal. We need to find the issues that play to a winning demographic that nets us the majority. If our numbers are dwindling, we can find voters with issues that are compatible with the basic message. Anything currently in the platform that shouldn't be we ditch. The GOP is just a party and it just wants between 50 and 60 % of the vote. There are enough people that are dissafected by the current administration that tacking toward some of these issues in the general election and 4/8 years from now shouldn't be a problem.

You are part of the religious base that is killing the GOP, so your opinion is really invalid here.

[ICantSpellDawg]

You are part of the religious base that is killing the GOP, so your opinion is really invalid here.

On no planet are my interests part of a "Religious base". I'm a Catholic, Steven Colbert is a Catholic, My mom is a Catholic, Andy Warhol was a Catholic. I'm fine with birth control and I don't want any theocracy creeping into government. My opposition to abortion is religious just like my opposition to murder and theft is Religious. It is also secular and civic, hence my secular and civic opposition to them. They just happen to match up on those issues.

You aren't even a Republican. Why don't you become part of the voting base and then actually have your say in the party?

[a completely inoffensive name]

On no planet are my interests part of a "Religious base". I'm a Catholic, Steven Colbert is a Catholic, My mom is a Catholic, Andy Warhol was a Catholic. I'm fine with birth control and I don't want any theocracy creeping into government. My opposition to abortion is religious just like my opposition to murder and theft is Religious. It is also secular and civic, hence my secular and civic opposition to them. They just happen to match up on those issues.

You aren't even a Republican. Why don't you become part of the voting base and then actually have your say in the party?

You mad bro? Cuz I would if I reallized my stances are laughable to middle america and are losing in the primaries.

You aren't even a Republican.

15 years from now, you won't be either.

[ICantSpellDawg]

You mad bro? Cuz I would if I reallized my stances are laughable to middle america and are losing in the primaries.


15 years from now, you won't be either.

Yes, I am mad because my candidate is winning the primary season and will carry most of the states that he lost recently in the fall. The Democrats and GOP go with the issues. The party itself is ever changing. These arn't interest based parties, they are empty suits, waiting to be filled with coalitions of interest groups and agendas. It is possible that one party or the other will cease to be like the Whigs, or Democratic-Republicans, the Bull-Moose, or the American Tories, but I find it more likely that they will stay around a while, altering their issues as needed. They will do their best never to fall below 40% of the vote in the general election without a third part independent involved. If this happens, they will scramble to redefine themselves in new ways. I remember after the 2008 elections, Lemur was hypothesizing the same thing, declaring the GOP dead and never to return, mistaking the party for the interests it currently represents and mistaking the American people's dislike for the policies of GWB with anything resembling an attention span or basic grasp of recent history. Then, the 2010 tea party stuff exploded, re-energizing the party. The party rode the wave like a bucking bronco, but the bronco is largely tamed at this point. The conservatives that are pissing and moaning about Romney are not the "tea party" republicans - they are the 1990's culture warrior Republicans. We've already taken the best parts of their movement and are leaving the worst parts behind.

There isn't anybody out there who thinks that Santorum will be the nominee in 2016 or 2020. They did, however, think that Romney would be the front-runner this time around back in 2008.

[a completely inoffensive name]

[Large rant, with some Lemur bashing for no apparent reason.]... The conservatives that are pissing and moaning about Romney are not the "tea party" republicans - they are the 1990's culture warrior Republicans. We've already taken the best parts of their movement and are leaving the worst parts behind.

Which is why everyone is so excited about Romney right? oh....