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    Clan Takiyama Senior Member CBR's Avatar
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    Wow. 49 former NASA employees. And they have about a 1000 years combined professional experience!

    23 administrators
    8 astronauts
    7 engineers
    5 technicians
    4 scientists

    Climate science experience: 0, nil, nada, zilch

    But why am I being so picky when one of them has 16 years experience of being "Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBR View Post
    Climate science experience: 0, nil, nada, zilch

    But why am I being so picky when one of them has 16 years experience of being "Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention"
    How much do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    How much do you have?
    How much do you need to recognize that agriculture in the former icebox known as Greenland is a sign that things are changing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    How much do you have?
    With the Pogo stuff? Was that not a computer game from the late 70's? In that case a lot.

    Apart from going through a few of the claims made by deniers, I have absolutely no experience. Which is why I prefer to listen to scientists and even prefer having a whole bunch of scientist agree on stuff. Yes, I know I'm being silly and I should just listen to conspiracies, gut instinct, minority opinions, and even opinions from people who have not demonstrated why I should listen to them in the first place.

    This is just yet another case of Argumentum ad verecundiam (oh boy he goes for fancy Latin to sound important!) : they are NASA dudes (some even landed on the Moon!) and therefore must know a lot of stuff and we should listen to them.

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    Mostly their letter was objecting to NASA getting involved in the debate.

    I wouldn't mock them unless I knew a ton about climate science myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Mostly their letter was objecting to NASA getting involved in the debate.

    I wouldn't mock them unless I knew a ton about climate science myself.
    If that is their main point of contention then they just don't get it. Research on Earth is proxy for research on planet X: know how climates work on Earth and you're able to spot & explain similar patterns on planets such as Jupiter, Saturn. Clearly within NASA's scope.

    Not to mention that they're one of the very few science outfits with both the brains and the satellites to spare for the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Mostly their letter was objecting to NASA getting involved in the debate.
    We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled
    So they clearly have an opinion about the current scientific results and claim that there is data to support that opinion. And tens of thousands of scientists who apparently have a similar opinion. Big and bold words from people who has no professional experience in such matters. They do write that the NASA administrator can just ask for the info so we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBR View Post
    This is just yet another case of Argumentum ad verecundiam (oh boy he goes for fancy Latin to sound important!) : they are NASA dudes (some even landed on the Moon!) and therefore must know a lot of stuff and we should listen to them.
    Hey, it works in commercials!
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