uh, his says that because apparently these examples have been discussed for years, that's why he thinks it's silly that they are still being put forward. Also I linked to two people and one of them is quoting the response you link me to and responding to it. Anyway, I haven't done more than skim them I was just quoting them in case anyone was interested. But they don't seem to be simply dismissive to me.
acin I feel your pain.
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