Things Strike Doesn't Understand About Modern Literature

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 13:08

cmon... are you that heartless? you would let your own children die possibly (or even remain in captivity with the enemy with the threat of death always present) and not do anything about it when you have a chance, even a remote one to save them?

thats not stupid at all, and i think not only mothers would do it. ok, she is not an ordinary mother she is mother of a king, but she knows that and tried to fight it but then she heard her 2 youngest sons were dead she was just overcome with grief and she did what she did.

im starting to think that something is wrong with you rather than with the characters in grmm :P

(semi-joking...)

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 15:38

Originally Posted by The Stranger

cmon... are you that heartless? you would let your own children die possibly (or even remain in captivity with the enemy with the threat of death always present) and not do anything about it when you have a chance, even a remote one to save them?

thats not stupid at all, and i think not only mothers would do it. ok, she is not an ordinary mother she is mother of a king, but she knows that and tried to fight it but then she heard her 2 youngest sons were dead she was just overcome with grief and she did what she did.

im starting to think that something is wrong with you rather than with the characters in grmm :P

(semi-joking...)

Why would Tywin release Sansa or Arya once he has Jaime back?

He's not going to do it, he'd just laugh at you - that's obvious. The fact is, Martin presents this as a rational choice but if she had thought about it at all she would recognise that Jaime has no way to influence Tywin and Tywin has no reason to make a deal, as he already has what he wants - really obvious.

As to there being something wrong with me - well, probably, but I'm not a heartless bastard - I'm just not that monumentally stupid or uselessly sentimental over great distances.

By the time Jaime reached home Sansa could already be dead, and was in fact already gone.

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 16:03

you act like it was a rational descision but it wasnt, it was emotional... imo he doesnt present it as a rational choice at all.. if to try and save the life of your own kid seems uselessly sentimental to me i hope you will never have children or live in a group with other people relying on you.

**Greyblades** · 05-07-2012, 16:16

Also, she's ridiculously naiive.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 16:28

Originally Posted by The Stranger

you act like it was a rational descision but it wasnt, it was emotional... imo he doesnt present it as a rational choice at all.. if to try and save the life of your own kid seems uselessly sentimental to me i hope you will never have children or live in a group with other people relying on you.

I invite you to stick your head in the Bacnroom to see how my own mind works.

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 16:47

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I invite you to stick your head in the Bacnroom to see how my own mind works.

:P i like you in the backroom haha

i mightve sounded a bit offensive i didnt mean it that way. i just think that how you feel about this matter is not representable for the majority of humanity.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 21:03

Originally Posted by The Stranger

:P i like you in the backroom haha

i mightve sounded a bit offensive i didnt mean it that way. i just think that how you feel about this matter is not representable for the majority of humanity.

I think if you view my current topic in the Backroom and my berwilderment at people's responses you can see I'm not seeing things through the same lens as everyone else.

Regardless, I still find Caitlin's thinking a bit hard to take, the whole sequence felt a bit forced, contrived so that Jaime could escape and get his own subplot.

**Sir Moody** · 05-07-2012, 22:36

Its not that you aren't seeing the world right its that Caitlin didn't see the world right.

Its pretty well set up in the first book - the Starks are living in the past where a Knights word was his bond and the "virtuous" always wins - its a complete fantasy but it completely shaped all of Ned's, Rob's and pre slit throat Caitlin's choices

they all truly didn't believe they would be betrayed - that world maybe existed back during the first civil war (and even that is debatable since it ended with Jaimes betrayal of his oaths) but at this point that just isn't the case - nobody is keeping their word and nobody is safe

the really funny thing about Jaimes character is he goes from being a heartless betrayer to thinking a lot like the Starks... and its going to be interesting to see what post slit throat Caitlin does to him next book...