North Carolina Passes Amendment Banning Same-sex Unions

[Rhyfelwyr]

I am really beginning to despise Christians.

Well thank you.

[PanzerJaeger]

Well thank you.

I'm sorry. As I said, I was reacting out of emotion and deliberately using a broad brush.

It just seems to me that religion has become a sanctuary for ignorance and hatred in this country, and it wasn't always that way. Nowhere else would the kind of vile rhetoric that I posted in the OP be openly spoken and accepted. (And I could post pages and pages of Christian leaders saying awful things about gay people.) Nowhere else would intelligent design be given any credibility. Nowhere else would abstinence only education, pro-bully anti-bully legislation, censoring teachers, and all the other base stupidity these people push in the education system get any traction.

The absurdities that Christians believe on face value would be laughed out of any fifth grade science class under any other name. These people believe that some Jew two thousand years ago, born from a woman who was essentially raped by their god, rose from the dead and walked around, based on nothing but a consistently contradictory book that sanctions slavery among other things. And these are the people that have appointed themselves the moral arbiters of our society? These are the people who feel confident in judging the worth of other people's lifestyles? People are being denied a sensible, logical extension of civil liberties based on a book of fairy tales.

Why? Why is Christianity given a special dispensation for idiocy? IMO, it is because most of us who do not accept such notions have family or friends that are Christian and do not want to offend. It is just not polite. I remember when I was being taught in Catholic high school by otherwise sane, rational adults that that nasty little wafer and that cheap wine were the body and blood of Christ, not a representation of them, but actual flesh and blood. It seemed so incredibly batshit crazy and so easily disproven, but I kept my mouth shut because I did not want to make anyone uncomfortable. The problem is that Christians have no problem offending. If they want to hold others up in judgment, they should be taken to task for their own views that make far less sense than people acting on a naturally occurring homosexual orientation.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I'm sorry. As I said, I was reacting out of emotion and deliberately using a broad brush.

It just seems to me that religion has become a sanctuary for ignorance and hatred in this country, and it wasn't always that way. Nowhere else would the kind of vile rhetoric that I posted in the OP be openly spoken and accepted. (And I could post pages and pages of Christian leaders saying awful things about gay people.) Nowhere else would intelligent design be given any credibility. Nowhere else would abstinence only education, pro-bully anti-bully legislation, censoring teachers, and all the other base stupidity these people push in the education system get any traction.

The absurdities that Christians believe on face value would be laughed out of any fifth grade science class under any other name. These people believe that some Jew two thousand years ago, born from a woman who was essentially raped by their god, rose from the dead and walked around, based on nothing but a consistently contradictory book that sanctions slavery among other things. And these are the people that have appointed themselves the moral arbiters of our society? These are the people who feel confident in judging the worth of other people's lifestyles? People are being denied a sensible, logical extension of civil liberties based on a book of fairy tales.

Why? Why is Christianity given a special dispensation for idiocy? IMO, it is because most of us who do not accept such notions have family or friends that are Christian and do not want to offend. It is just not polite. I remember when I was being taught in Catholic high school by otherwise sane, rational adults that that nasty little wafer and that cheap wine were the body and blood of Christ, not a representation of them, but actual flesh and blood. It seemed so incredibly batshit crazy and so easily disproven, but I kept my mouth shut because I did not want to make anyone uncomfortable. The problem is that Christians have no problem offending. If they want to hold others up in judgment, they should be taken to task for their own views that make far less sense than people acting on a naturally occurring homosexual orientation.

Keep it rolling. A president in favor of gay marriage and backers who attack Christianity and hate Christians because of a vote in a far away state can't be a bad thing in November.

You can call me a Nihilist all you'd like. There is either a "plan" to the Universe or there is not. I balance both ideas in good measure. If there is a plan, you can seek answers to what it might be and the sources you use should have a logical consistency - or a consistency in line with that plan. If not, you can do whatever you'd like and push whatever issue sounds good at the moment, but it's all smoke and mirrors and just keeps you feeling like you're going somewhere when there is nowhere to go. I'm pretty sure that none of you would disagree with the "to be or not to be" possibilities, so what am I missing?

I have books and tradition which, I believe, shine a light onto meaning and purpose. You laugh at that meaning and purpose and posit others, derived from Hollywood celebrities and the popular culture of the age. I believe in this dynamic struggle.

Shaming people of faith is useless because you shame them with empty morality. I'm not attempting to shame you, I'm trying to make you see that the accepted ideas of "progress" in this vein are illusory. Some ideas are consistent with my own morality; freedom from theocracy, freedom to determine the laws that govern you, freedom from tyranny around the world, elimination of slavery, reduction of drug laws, some correction for majority rule, etc. Others are nonsense and seem absurd to my morality; veganism, gay marriage, gun control, etc.

I'm actually not a **** disgusting man, "I cant see my name" (BTW, I've been flagged for less). I like to oppose ideas which I see as wrongheaded. I won't be shamed into ending my opposition to what I believe is bad policy. I'll compromise, but you guys have no interest in compromising in any real way. It's all or nothing and I won't give in to you. You are free to argue your case and may continue influencing others, but I don't believe you will be successful in the long term because I believe this is a bad push. I am also free to oppose you, that's because we live in a free society.

NC just made it more difficult for court actions to subvert the established law. You can't blame them on procedure.


BTW, Obama still doesn't believe marriage is a "civil right" and neither do I.