North Carolina Passes Amendment Banning Same-sex Unions

**Montmorency** · 05-12-2012, 00:01

More importantly, if homosexuality has a pathology it can be modified, i.e. homosexuals can be made heterosexual - a claim violently denied by the rights-lobby.

In the same way that sensation of pain, or of anger, or individuality, or religious belief could hypothetically be modified. I'm surprised you are going there.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-12-2012, 00:16

Originally Posted by Montmorency

In the same way that sensation of pain, or of anger, or individuality, or religious belief could hypothetically be modified. I'm surprised you are going there.

If the pathology is deterministic.

I'm not aware of a pathology for religious belief, I know it's possible to initiate something very like a minor "religious experience", such as one achieves through medatitive prayer - but that experience is still subjective. When they stuck Richard Dawkins under the God Helmet he said it itched.

I'm not going there - I'm following the train of thought.

**Montmorency** · 05-12-2012, 01:18

You were only discussing it in terms it of psychiatrically treatable mental pathology?

Oh...

Hehehe

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-12-2012, 12:56

Originally Posted by Montmorency

You were only discussing it in terms it of psychiatrically treatable mental pathology?

Oh...

Hehehe

Oh yes?

Why don't you share with the group?

Unfortunately - those twin studies seem to indicate there is not a biological factor which is deterministic.

**Ironside** · 05-12-2012, 20:26

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Oh yes?

Why don't you share with the group?

Unfortunately - those twin studies seem to indicate there is not a biological factor which is deterministic.

Unless you're going to argue that over 50% are secretly gay, then it still has a significant biological factor.

Similar to left handedness (or right handedness) that's totally a concious choise... 2 left handed parents still only got less than 50% of their children being left handed, far from 100%, but much higher than the population average. Having one laft handed and one right handed identical twin is not that uncommon, way more common that having 2 left handed one for example.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-12-2012, 21:15

Originally Posted by Ironside

Unless you're going to argue that over 50% are secretly gay, then it still has a significant biological factor.

Similar to left handedness (or right handedness) that's totally a concious choise... 2 left handed parents still only got less than 50% of their children being left handed, far from 100%, but much higher than the population average. Having one laft handed and one right handed identical twin is not that uncommon, way more common that having 2 left handed one for example.

Sorry?

No, identical twins are identical in felhandedness - "mirror twins" occur when the egg splits slightly later, and they mirror in everything, right down to moles and rogue eyebrow hairs/crooked teeth. Nobody actuall knows what causes people to favour one hand over another, one theory is that every left-hander is a surviving twin.

Different process.

If the genetic factors were deterministic, i.e. if it "caused gayness" then you would expect a much higher correlation

**The Stranger** · 05-13-2012, 10:30

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Sorry?

No, identical twins are identical in felhandedness - "mirror twins" occur when the egg splits slightly later, and they mirror in everything, right down to moles and rogue eyebrow hairs/crooked teeth. Nobody actuall knows what causes people to favour one hand over another, one theory is that every left-hander is a surviving twin.

Different process.

If the genetic factors were deterministic, i.e. if it "caused gayness" then you would expect a much higher correlation

im bipolar, how does that happen? :O and bisexual?

**Ironside** · 05-13-2012, 16:07

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Sorry?

No, identical twins are identical in felhandedness - "mirror twins" occur when the egg splits slightly later, and they mirror in everything, right down to moles and rogue eyebrow hairs/crooked teeth. Nobody actuall knows what causes people to favour one hand over another, one theory is that every left-hander is a surviving twin.

Different process.

If the genetic factors were deterministic, i.e. if it "caused gayness" then you would expect a much higher correlation

Hm, the "mirror twins" was new to me. Shame that I couldn't find any data taking that into consideration.

Anyway, my point about left handedness running in the family, while having far from a 100% correlation still stands. It has evidently a genetical factor (possibly an indirect one), but it's not the sole factor and it aren't a choise for the vast majority.