The trial of Anders Behring Breivik

[HoreTore]

I think you are making a mistake by trying to link islamcritisism to what Breivik did it's not just a bit cheap. You want Frordman dragged into court but he didn't do anything. Thought police oh yes. It probably doesn't surprise you if I say that I read his blogs, no harm done

I want him "dragged to court" because ABB wants it, as I want all those accused of crimes to defend themselves.

Of course he didn't do anything, he's summoned as a witness. Frank Aarebrot and Mullah Krekar among a dozen others are also witnessing on the same grounds as Fjordman, and none of those have had anything to do with this case either, yet they all honour the court. Why? Because they believe in the concept of a fair trial, something Fjordman proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he does not. The only thing fjordman believes in is his massive ego and paranoid delusions.

[Greyblades]

Er, could someone explain this to me, what's happened?

[HoreTore]

Er, could someone explain this to me, what's happened?

What incident? Fjordman, the shoe-thrower or the burning man?

[Greyblades]

All three would be nice, I havent been keeping track of the story much and you and frag's post's seem to come out of nowhere.

[HoreTore]

All three would be nice, I havent been keeping track of the story much and you and frag's post's seem to come out of nowhere.

Ah well. All three then:

Shoe-thrower:

On friday(or was it thursday) last week the brother of a victim threw his shoe in Breivik's direction, yelling "you killer, you killer" before being taken care of by the guards and paramedics. Obviously some kind of mental breakdown. He was calmed down in another room before being rushed to the hospital. The man is an Iraqi citizen, who had flown in this day because it was the day his brother was discussed in the case. My conclusion is that the group theraphy set up for the victims has really been beneficial. This man has been alone with all his grief, in a distant country, I don't think it's a coincidence that he is the one with the breakdown.

The burning man: a man in his forties set himself on fire outside the court today. He has no relation to the case, but other than that there is little information. It's hinted that he was denied some kind of benefit or permit and that it was some kind of desperate action.

Fjordman:

The defense has submitted its witness list. A long one, with around 20-30 witnesses. The list can be divided in two. First there's a group that deals with political stuff, mostly extremism in various forms. The other group consists of psychologists and such.

ABB's defense strategy is to be found sane, and all the witnesses are summoned for that purpose. The second group is self-explanatory to that end. The first group is more interesting. It seems that the strategy is to prove that ABB's political views are not the result of paranoia, but that there are several people who share his views. So, he has summoned some historians, some politcal experts and some extremists of all colours. The list is restricted to norwegians, probably because only norwegians have a legal obligation to testify when summoned. Two of the summoned have stated their intention to disobey the court order, Stein Lillevolden(living in Copenhagen) and Peder Are Nøstvold Jensen, aka Chubby Curly Hair aka fjordman(living in Israel). Lillevolden has no respect for the judicial system whatsoever, so he's wasn't a big surprise. Fjordman, on the other hand, claims to defend the legal system, so he has shown himself as a complete hypocrite by his refusal.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Can I just say, I have a powerful and very un-Christian desire to be the one to execute this Cur with a greataxe.

I don't think I'm the only one, and that's the most disturbing thing about all this.

[HoreTore]

Can I just say, I have a powerful and very un-Christian desire to be the one to execute this Cur with a greataxe.

I don't think I'm the only one, and that's the most disturbing thing about all this.

As you are a conservative, you are not alone.

Had you been a Norwegian leftie, you would be very alone.

[Greyblades]

I don't think I'm the only one, and that's the most disturbing thing about all this

....I think your the only one who think's he deserves something as clean as a greataxe.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

As you are a conservative, you are not alone.

Had you been a Norwegian leftie, you would be very alone.

I'm a conservative Christian who has more or less renounced violence and is dead set against Capital Punishment.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

....I think your the only one who think's he deserves something as clean as a greataxe.

I'm not very good with the two handed axe, I tend to swerve to the left.

It can get a bit messy.

[Greyblades]

Alas, anything less than leaving him to the imaganations of the gentlemen in bay12 forums is not messy enough for me.

[HoreTore]

I'm a conservative Christian who has more or less renounced violence and is dead set against Capital Punishment.

Yes, and that makes you not alone within your group. If you were in another group, however, you would find yourself very alone.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Alas, anything less than leaving him to the imaganations of the gentlemen in bay12 forums is not messy enough for me.

Look up Loki's punishment, see how that takes you.

Yes, and that makes you not alone within your group. If you were in another group, however, you would find yourself very alone.

I don't buy it - either the left-wing men of Norway are all lieing or they're all so aneimic they don't have any emotions left.

I'm not saying no one on the Left bears him no ill will, but I'm willing to bet there's a significant minority who want to beat him into a bloody pulp.

Given how angry you seem to get with me just because I believe in a Hippie loving God who loves everyone, I have a hard time believing there is no viking at all left in your countrymen.

[Viking]

Thankfully, not all Norwegians are lefties (regardless). The dismissed layjudge did indeed call for his death.

EDIT: Just to say that you might have found the one group that has lost its "Vikingness". ;-)

[HoreTore]

I have heard extremely few people from the left call for death. And by left I mean everything up to and including the liberal party. Beyond that, I have heard some people call for death. I have only heard one of the victims/relatives say they want death, and that was while he was in tears around the time of the funeral(can't remember if it was just prior or just after), so that might just as well have been the moment.

It's called humanism and belief in the rule of law.

By the way, I find your use of "men" ironic, as the only public figure expressing a desire for capital punishment(and without a trial as well), was the conservative christian woman Hanne Nabinthu Herland. I still have the smack-down she recieved for it from Mette Yvonne Larsen, the victims lawyer, fresh in mind...

[Greyblades]

Look up Loki's punishment, see how that takes you.

Eh, an enternity of snake venom doen't do it for me compared to the sort of stuff the dwarf fortress guys have been known to do just by accident.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Thankfully, not all Norwegians are lefties (regardless). The dismissed layjudge did indeed call for his death.

EDIT: Just to say that you might have found the one group that has lost its "Vikingness". ;-)

Well, this is the same group where the men want to breastfeed their sons...

Any time you guys want to pack some of them into a longship and sent them this way, assuming they can cross the Great Whale Road without dying I don't mind getting the Fyrd together to give them a good old fashioned English welcome. Really old fashioned welcome.

I have heard extremely few people from the left call for death. And by left I mean everything up to and including the liberal party. Beyond that, I have heard some people call for death. I have only heard one of the victims/relatives say they want death, and that was while he was in tears around the time of the funeral(can't remember if it was just prior or just after), so that might just as well have been the moment.

It's called humanism and belief in the rule of law.

By the way, I find your use of "men" ironic, as the only public figure expressing a desire for capital punishment(and without a trial as well), was the conservative christian woman Hanne Nabinthu Herland. I still have the smack-down she recieved for it from Mette Yvonne Larsen, the victims lawyer, fresh in mind...

Did I call for death? No, I said I wanted to kill him personally.

I try to master my base urges and sympathise with the poor deluded man. It's called Christian love.

Stop trying to monopolise the the moral high ground.

That doesn't mean I don't want to drive a blade in under his sternum and then pull down and out so that his steaming entrails spill to the floor, then use his intestines to keelhaul him.

[Papewaio]

Boredom is a much greater punishment. That is why solitary confinement is the greatest punishment. To be alone with his own mind.

[Fragony]

All three would be nice, I havent been keeping track of the story much and you and frag's post's seem to come out of nowhere.

Fjordman is a Norwegian anti-islam blogger who was repeatedly mentioned in Breivik's manifest. But a lot of people were, Geert.Wilders, Hirschi Ali, Bat Yor. I don't see why Fjordman should testify as he has never called for violence, they don't even know eachother. I don't blame him for not showing up as it seems that Norway wants to link him to the events. There are millions of people who think the same way about the islam including me, it's tasteless imho to use the deaths to kill an opinion, I certainly wouldn't volunteer to be a victim of a witchhunt. Discussion ought to be in the parlement not on trial.

[Montmorency]

ABB's defense strategy is to be found sane, and all the witnesses are summoned for that purpose. The second group is self-explanatory to that end. The first group is more interesting. It seems that the strategy is to prove that ABB's political views are not the result of paranoia, but that there are several people who share his views. So, he has summoned some historians, some politcal experts and some extremists of all colours. The list is restricted to norwegians, probably because only norwegians have a legal obligation to testify when summoned. Two of the summoned have stated their intention to disobey the court order, Stein Lillevolden(living in Copenhagen) and Peder Are Nøstvold Jensen, aka Chubby Curly Hair aka fjordman(living in Israel). Lillevolden has no respect for the judicial system whatsoever, so he's wasn't a big surprise. Fjordman, on the other hand, claims to defend the legal system, so he has shown himself as a complete hypocrite by his refusal.

[Whacker]

Makes sense to me. If I'm not a citizen of another sovereign nation, I do not live, reside, nor am visiting it, and said nation attempts to apply legal actions or edicts upon me, I'd ignore them.

[Montmorency]

He's Norwegian.

What strange creatures...

[Fragony]

He's Norwegian.

What strange creatures...

I think Horetore is perfectly aware that he's Norwegian, that is why he feels he should testify when summoned.

[Viking]

Fjordman is a Norwegian anti-islam blogger who was repeatedly mentioned in Breivik's manifest. But a lot of people were, Geert.Wilders, Hirschi Ali, Bat Yor. I don't see why Fjordman should testify as he has never called for violence, they don't even know eachother. I don't blame him for not showing up as it seems that Norway wants to link him to the events. There are millions of people who think the same way about the islam including me, it's tasteless imho to use the deaths to kill an opinion, I certainly wouldn't volunteer to be a victim of a witchhunt. Discussion ought to be in the parlement not on trial.

For goodness' sake man, "Fjordman" is called in by the defense, not the prosecution.

[Fragony]

For goodness' sake man, "Fjordman" is called in by the defense, not the prosecution.

I know that and it doesn't matter, nobody wants to see Breivik released after all. This shouldn't become a political trial. I fully understand Fjordman ain't playing.

[Viking]

Of course it matters. It is Breivik that wants "Fjordman" in court in order to improve his defense. That's only reason that "Fjordman" may end up summoned.

[Fragony]

Of course it matters. It is Breivik that wants "Fjordman" in court in order to improve his defense. That's only reason that "Fjordman" may end up summoned.

That is not what I read but alas I'm not from Norway, if so it's not that bad

[spankythehippo]

Boredom is a much greater punishment. That is why solitary confinement is the greatest punishment. To be alone with his own mind.

That would be bliss for me. I would gladly take solitary confinement.

He's Norwegian.

What strange creatures...

He's anti-Islamic, yet studied in a predominantly Islamic country. I don't know what to say. There is the chance that his anti-Islamic sentiment was sparked by his experiences in Cairo, but I doubt it.

[Fragony]

One of the most well known criticasters of islam in the Netherlands is also an arabist (Professor Hans Jansen). Even Hax will comfirm that he knows his stuff. I hope.

Edit, this is funny only for Dutchies, teh professor pwning a hissing gutmensch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypZF...e_gdata_player

Needs saying that he isn't like Fjordman at all who is also way too extreme for my tastes

[Hax]

Yes, Hans Jansen is (or was) basically a great Arabist. The thing is that the way he left Leiden University has set some blood between him and some other professors here. I've talked with several of his (ex-)colleagues and students, which is a pretty interesting story in its own right, but they've all said that apparently, something in him just snapped at some point. They're not quite sure why, but I've heard from I think one of his ex-girlfriends that he always used to love the spotlight. Apparently, he told his ex-colleague Nico Kaptein that he likes being recognised in the supermarket so he can jump ahead in line. Oh well.