3.4 EDU - SUGGESTIONS

**Lazy O** · 05-18-2012, 06:48

Again Slinger range, if none of you is willing to discuss it in my thread I can assume that you have withdrawn your arguments and admitted defeat . Hurr Durr

**antisocialmunky** · 05-18-2012, 15:05

Did you ever get around to making more peltastai like units? A lot of the hillmen should play like peltastai. Its so fun to play like that too.

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 05-18-2012, 15:25

Cappadocian and Hyrkanian Hillmen are now skirmishers. Lucanian Light infantry and Bagaudas are as well. I think about 5-6 light infantry units have been converted into skirmishers which is nice.

Some more playtesting with LMT has yielded yet some more interesting results. We did legions vs. Loricati Scutari (sword ones) with the idea that scutari should handily beat them as heavy ap infantry that costs substantially more. Well, they did handily beat the post-Marian ones. They got their butts handed to them by the Imperials however. The Imperials also killed 10(!) with one pila volley. Basically, the Imperial ones are far too strong compared to post-Marian legions. The extra morale, attack, defense, and accuracy more than makes up for the 10 less men per unit. In fact the results weren't even close. Scutari beat the post-Marians with 38 men remaining while the Imperials had 34 men remaining after routing the Scutari. I think we need to reevaluate the difference in eras before Sunday rolls around.

Also, the difference in accuracy between pila and solifera. Is there a reason that pilum are that much more accurate?

More playtesting oddities. Loricati Caetrati destroy Loricati Scutari with 40 men remaining. This was an odd one. Might the formation for the Scutari be too loose? Or is their defense skill too low? Also they have lower morale than the Caetrati which is very strange considering they are the best infantry of the Iberians.

Overall I have found the Loricati Scutari to be underwhelming compared to other infantry in their tier which prompted the original test against legions and then led me to test this one.

**Kival** · 05-18-2012, 17:37

Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

Overall I have found the Loricati Scutari to be underwhelming compared to other infantry in their tier which prompted the original test against legions and then led me to test this one.

That's strange but it fits with my personal experience with them. They never did very well contrary to their description to be good file and line units.

**Yavana** · 05-18-2012, 17:49

Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

Cappadocian and Hyrkanian Hillmen are now skirmishers. Lucanian Light infantry and Bagaudas are as well. I think about 5-6 light infantry units have been converted into skirmishers which is nice.

Some more playtesting with LMT has yielded yet some more interesting results. We did legions vs. Loricati Scutari (sword ones) with the idea that scutari should handily beat them as heavy ap infantry that costs substantially more. Well, they did handily beat the post-Marian ones. They got their butts handed to them by the Imperials however. The Imperials also killed 10(!) with one pila volley. Basically, the Imperial ones are far too strong compared to post-Marian legions. The extra morale, attack, defense, and accuracy more than makes up for the 10 less men per unit. In fact the results weren't even close. Scutari beat the post-Marians with 38 men remaining while the Imperials had 34 men remaining after routing the Scutari. I think we need to reevaluate the difference in eras before Sunday rolls around.

Also, the difference in accuracy between pila and solifera. Is there a reason that pilum are that much more accurate?

More playtesting oddities. Loricati Caetrati destroy Loricati Scutari with 40 men remaining. This was an odd one. Might the formation for the Scutari be too loose? Or is their defense skill too low? Also they have lower morale than the Caetrati which is very strange considering they are the best infantry of the Iberians.

Overall I have found the Loricati Scutari to be underwhelming compared to other infantry in their tier which prompted the original test against legions and then led me to test this one.

Working on making Carthage stronger before the tournament?;D

Damn, and my super duper suggestion about making Rome stronger was denied :( <sad> Maybe it really was too descriptive... hmmm

**Kival** · 05-18-2012, 17:58

Actually you don't need them as Carthage as the iberian assault infantry is much better but in my experience it was always sad that using them never really was an viable option.

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 05-18-2012, 18:07

Yes its much more important to Lusos in all honesty if anyone wishes to take the plunge with those guys.

**gamegeek2** · 05-18-2012, 18:31

Don't Loricati Scutari have good stamina while the Iberian Assaults don't? I could also give them legionary spacing.

I can yank Imperial accuracy down to medium. That seems like a fine idea.

**Lazy O** · 05-18-2012, 19:26

Originally Posted by Lazy O

Again Slinger range, if none of you is willing to discuss it in my thread I can assume that you have withdrawn your arguments and admitted defeat . Hurr Durr

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**capomafioso** · 05-19-2012, 03:37

just realized that heavy persian archers are more expensive than cretan archers, and yet just looking at the stats nowhere near as effective (less arrows, morale, attack and defense) could i request a price drop for them?

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 05-19-2012, 05:52

Yeah prices of all non-armored archers (I don't consider Heavy Persians to be armored since they lack shields) are a little whack right now since steppe FA absolutely massacre all the others at the moment usually at less or considerably less cost. I think GG2 is currently addressing this through accuracy, but pricing should be looked at too. Heavy Persians don't double as light infantry like Cretans, Agrianians or Syrians, nor as medium infantry like Bosporans. I'd like to see their price drop a bit too.

Oh and don't forget to change solifera so their accuracy ratings are the same as pila.