lol at arab spring, again

[Fragony]

Women who were protesting abuse and demonstrated for women's rights got attacked by a mob of hundreds of men who are an enrichment to our culture according to the left. We can really learn from eachother after all, whe can share recepies the more the better. They were beaten, sexually assaulted, and the police did nothing. Arab women, come here, we won't do that to you, there are plenty of goats in Egypt and they won't notice the difference anyway.

Meh. Rant over.

[HoreTore]

Wow.

Violence in a shaky post-revolutionary situation.

Yeah, this only happens in Egypt. Only muslims. This is not completely normal.

In other news, French men are now considered animals who should be thrown iut of europe, what with The Terror and all...

[Fragony]

Wow.

Violence in a shaky post-revolutionary situation.

Yeah, this only happens in Egypt. Only muslims. This is not completely normal.

In other news, French men are now considered animals who should be thrown iut of europe, what with The Terror and all...

It happened in France? Sorry I must be mistaken then I thought it was Egypt, must be because of that obelisk on the Place de la Concorde.

I also have the beheading of a convert in Tunesia by the way, hard to watch, it takes almost 2 minutes. Tunesia was a very nice country with very nice people. PM and I deliver

[HoreTore]

It happened in France? Sorry I must be mistaken then I thought it was Egypt, must be because of that obelisk on the Place de la Concorde.

I also have the beheading of a convert in Tunesia by the way, hard to watch, it takes almost 2 minutes. Tunesia was a very nice country with very nice people. PM and I deliver

Violence in a post-revolutionary situations happens all over the place.

[Fragony]

Violence in a post-revolutionary situations happens all over the place.

Sure, but the wishfull thinking of lefties who came up with the term arab spring, who knew, for a fact, that things would go forward, is getting increasingly hilarious. Wrong as usual. There is no arab spring, there will be an islamist winter.

[LeftEyeNine]

Sure, but the wishfull thinking of lefties who came up with the term arab spring, who knew, for a fact, that things would go forward, is getting increasingly hilarious. Wrong as usual. There is no arab spring, there will be an islamist winter.

Thanks to those sponsored and/or actively were involved in it from overseas. Even Turkey and her goddamn USA-muppet government.

[HoreTore]

Sure, but the wishfull thinking of lefties who came up with the term arab spring, who knew, for a fact, that things would go forward, is getting increasingly hilarious. Wrong as usual. There is no arab spring, there will be an islamist winter.

No.

There was a hope for a move towards a democracy. And there still is, of course, nobody can predict what the situstion will be in a couple of years.

But whatever happens in the middle east, the "not-racist" will whine about how awful they are. A dictator running the show? OMG no muslim countries are democracies! A democratic revolution? OMG the islamists are taking over!

There's just no pleasing some people. Oh well, it's not like anyone should listen to them.

[Fragony]

Thanks to those sponsored and/or actively were involved in it from overseas. Even Turkey and her goddamn USA-muppet government.

It wasn't me

[spankythehippo]

I also have the beheading of a convert in Tunesia by the way, hard to watch, it takes almost 2 minutes. Tunesia was a very nice country with very nice people. PM and I deliver

I'm interested. I shall add it to my extensive snuff video collection. I doubt it will be hard to watch. I've seen a lot.

[Hax]

Any news coming out of Egypt right now should be treated with the utmost suspicion. To be fair, I wouldn't put it past Shafiq and his cronies to actually bribe and/or dress up so-called Muslim fundamentalists into disrupting such a protest in order to discredit the Mursi. This does not mean that I'm in favour of any candidate, but we seriously have to consider the Muslim Brotherhood as well as the Freedom and Justice Party as a legitimate political movement.

In the case of Tunisia, of course there's a branch of takfiri jihadis in Tunisia. They're probably not that influential, as Tunisia itself was never a state in which Islamic radicalism was able to garner much support.


Furthermore, what I find even more offensive is the amount of self-declared so-called experts on the Middle-East that seem to have popped up everywhere in the post-Revolution era. Reading Wikipedia articles or Bernard Lewis' latest book won't really cut it. It's incredibly naive to look at situations that have occured throughout the Middle-East post-1950's without placing these events in a strict historical context: to a large degrees, internal struggles that we're seeing to this day are more an effect of a Anglo-French policy emphasising religious and ethnic differences than something inherent in these cultures. In that sense, these "experts" are only reinforcing ideas of a monolithic culture that is inherently opposed to what we commonly define as democratic values: rights for women and minorities, parliamentary representation, and a general message of tolerance.

I don't claim to understand the Middle-East, and since I started studying the region in university, I can only say I understand it less. But at the very least I'm able to recognise all the different facets. I distinguish between labels such as Salafism, Islamism, and radical jihadism, even though for other people there is no difference. That's okay, but then don't shove the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran's Islamic Republic, and the Taliban into one and the same shelf. It has no basis in reality.

[Fragony]

I didn't, and I actually know the nuances. What I do do however is mocking the lefties who will never understand that they simply don't get it.

[Brenus]

Yeap, as Camerone and Sarkozy who sponsored these 2 wars are very well known lefties...

[Hax]

I didn't, and I actually know the nuances. What I do do however is mocking the lefties who will never understand that they simply don't get it.

I don't think so. You're eager to jump in at every opportunity when it arises to attack Islam.

[Fragony]

Yeap, as Camerone and Sarkozy who sponsored these 2 wars are very well known lefties...

Which two, if you mean Libya, it was attacked because turning to gold would have killed French banks. Don't remember any hallelujah over the riots am sich being an arab spring comming from them. Attacking Libya was completely immoral and I never supported it. Lefties did though because they bought into the arab spring. That's the only war I can think of though

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Violence in a post-revolutionary situations happens all over the place.

And if you presented me with a Frenchman two hundred years ago I would have spit on him for being involved.

Just because it was done before does not make it less disgusting now.

[Strike For The South]

And if you presented me with a Frenchman two hundred years ago I would have spit on him for being involved.

Just because it was done before does not make it less disgusting now.

This.


I find it funny a Dutchman can stab a fellow human being and then claim the moral high ground when some Egyptian men beat on Egyptian women. The only difference, as far as I can tell is that the Dutchmen lives in far greater material comfort and therefore deems himself more civilized.

[Kadagar_AV]

This.


I find it funny a Dutchman can stab a fellow human being and then claim the moral high ground when some Egyptian men beat on Egyptian women. The only difference, as far as I can tell is that the Dutchmen lives in far greater material comfort and therefore deems himself more civilized.

It is a big difference between someone stating he regrets idiotic things he did in his youth and grown ups doing idiotic things for cultural or religious reasons.

Cheap shot, but I think most people will see through your post anyway.

[Strike For The South]

It is a big difference between someone stating he regrets idiotic things he did in his youth and grown ups doing idiotic things for cultural or religious reasons.

Cheap shot, but I think most people will see through your post anyway.

So regert is the only prerequisite for moral rightness? No doubt, some of these men in their old age, when they are comfortable will look back with regret on this day

I am only pointing at the searing hypocricsy. I do think Modern Western life is more desireable than what some Egyptians are trying to impose but in the same vein we have very destructive ways of our own. The fact we do it in a suit makes no difference to me

[Kadagar_AV]

So regert is the only prerequisite for moral rightness? No doubt, some of these men in their old age, when they are comfortable will look back with regret on this day

I am only pointing at the searing hypocricsy. I do think Modern Western life is more desireable than what some Egyptians are trying to impose but in the same vein we have very destructive ways of our own. The fact we do it in a suit makes no difference to me

I take a stupid youth's idiocy over cultural idiocy any day.

We will always have idiocy because of youth, but cultural idiocy we can over time do something about.

[Strike For The South]

I take a stupid youth's idiocy over cultural idiocy any day.

We will always have idiocy because of youth, but cultural idiocy we can over time do something about.

As if the singular man exsists in a vaccum.

I was just talking a shot at Frags. His cryptic populism gets to me and Oranje lost yesterday.

[Kadagar_AV]

As if the singular man exsists in a vaccum.

I was just talking a shot at Frags. His cryptic populism gets to me and Oranje lost yesterday.

So, spend less time taking pointless shots you don't even believe in yourself at forum members, and more time making yourself or the world less bitter. It's a general principle I've tried to follow upon my return :)

[Strike For The South]

So, spend less time taking pointless shots you don't even believe in yourself at forum members, and more time making yourself or the world less bitter. It's a general principle I've tried to follow upon my return :)

Very few on this forum grab my attention anymore. I'll continue with the childish potshots

[Kralizec]

I never was a big fan of the term "Arab spring". I'm largely supportive of the uprisings but any real gains (i.e. the establishment of modern, democratic governments) would always be a long term result. In the short term, as HoreTore notes, violence and such are to be expected.

Which two, if you mean Libya, it was attacked because turning to gold would have killed French banks. Don't remember any hallelujah over the riots am sich being an arab spring comming from them. Attacking Libya was completely immoral and I never supported it. Lefties did though because they bought into the arab spring. That's the only war I can think of though

Is this about Ghadaffi's idea to introduce a pan-African currency? If so, file that under "ambitious ideas which Ghadaffi has on a regular basis but which never amount to anything". It's not even a recent idea - he has proposed the idea before, years ago.

Ghadaffi had an international outlook, so to speak. He was one of the staunchest pan-Arab advocates - being a megalomaniac, he imagined that he'd be the natural successor to Nasser. But since Libya is one of the smaller Arab countries in population, and none of the others took Gadaffi as a person very seriously, that ambition was doomed from the start. Because of that, he largely abandoned pan-Arabism and embraced pan-Africanism instead. Funny fact is that his change in clothing habits seem to coincide.

Like his pan-Arabism however, it's underlying purpose is to make him look important, and it would most likely lead to nothing. The idea that NATO felt threatened by this brain fart of his (the african currency) and decided to remove him for that reason is crazy.

[Fragony]

This.


I find it funny a Dutchman can stab a fellow human being and then claim the moral high ground when some Egyptian men beat on Egyptian women. The only difference, as far as I can tell is that the Dutchmen lives in far greater material comfort and therefore deems himself more civilized.

Awesome isn't it, I am so doing it

[rvg]

I don't think so. You're eager to jump in at every opportunity when it arises to attack Islam.

And muslim countries keep presenting him with fresh reasons to make those attacks.

[Ironside]

I take a stupid youth's idiocy over cultural idiocy any day.

We will always have idiocy because of youth, but cultural idiocy we can over time do something about.

The problem is that breaking or at least moderating the Islamic movements is done by keeping them from being a unifying (under the religious umbrella) force within the opposition. 1-2 elections and their power is broken (yes there's a significant risk of it turning into an Islamic dictorship).
Going from a secular dictorship to a secular democracy, when the religous movements have been feeding on the dictorship for decades is going to be hard.

[HoreTore]

I find it hilarious that the actions of young men in Holland is explained with "youth", while the actions of young men in Egypt is explained with "culture/religion".

Does that mean that northern europe has no culture, and that people in the middle east skip the youth-stage and go directly from boys to middle-aged men?

[Fragony]

I find it hilarious that the actions of young men in Holland is explained with "youth", while the actions of young men in Egypt is explained with "culture/religion".

Does that mean that northern europe has no culture, and that people in the middle east skip the youth-stage and go directly from boys to middle-aged men?

Because it was just me and not a mob of hudreds?

[Greyblades]

Because it was just me and not a mob of hudreds?

Indeed, our nutjobs, our utter wastes of humanity are the same as thiers, the only difference is that ours are disorganised and far between whereas thiers are tight knit and organized enough to pool thier evilness.

:P

[Fragony]

Indeed, our nutjobs, our utter wastes of humanity

You are justsaying that to make me feel better ;)