My experiences in Israel.

[Kralizec]

To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?

Heh that's a chat I'd rather avoid personally, Israeli's aren't short on their own nutjobs

I would. If only for the reason that I'd be curious how they, face to face, would justify dodging all sorts of obligations (military service) that their compatriots have to put up with and deliberately being a drain on the country's social services. But maybe I'm just a bigot.

[Fragony]

To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?



I would. If only for the reason that I'd be curious how they, face to face, would justify dodging all sorts of obligations (military service) that their compatriots have to put up with and deliberately being a drain on the country's social services. But maybe I'm just a bigot.

Kinda confident I know their answer, these hardcore orthodox jews don't recognise Israel's existance just like Hamas doesn't, they are pretty cosy really. They aren't very popular there.

[Hax]

To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?

The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

[HoreTore]

The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

I wouldn't rule out "bad IT systems" coupled with "uncaring/overworked staff"...

[Hax]

Israel couldn't really afford stuff like that, though.

[Fragony]

The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

I don't like them either but you can't blame them for disliking leftist europeans. Of course they want some information on your wherabouts, you could be into hurting them. That might not make sense to you but it really does.

[Hax]

But that's the thing. They knew exactly who I was and they knew exactly where I'd be going. Besides, apart from my membership of D66, there's not that much leftist about me, really.

[Major Robert Dump]

Small chance it was beaurucratic backlog and oversight, and your arrival caught them unawares

Or perhaps you were screened and vetted, but these people were (for some reason) uninformed either through human or tech error

More likely, they have a different definition of what it means to be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

I would also think that the more advanced your travel notice was, the more likely you would be to get hassled and re-screened because that gives bad guys more time to off you and steal your identity or infiltrate your travel plans etc

So yeah, they are just jerks all around with anyone who isn't a card carrying member