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[rory_20_uk]

Who uses AK-47s any more? There are so many newer versions of the good old AK in circulation. I think the AK-108 would be quite a good choice.

REgarding body armour, unless it was DIY with steel plates, I imagine it is perversely a lot harder to purchase than guns and loads of bullets.

He also said AKs should be in the hands of soldiers, not children.

[ajaxfetish]

Who uses AK-47s any more? There are so many newer versions of the good old AK in circulation. I think the AK-108 would be quite a good choice.

Maybe people interested in cold-war era military history? The AK-47's had a pretty big cultural impact, and is probably one of the most iconic weapons in the world. Heck, I want to collect replica medieval swords. Who uses those any more? There are certainly newer and more advanced weapons in circulation, but having the newest, most advanced killing machines isn't the only motivation out there for wanting to own weapons.

Ajax

[ICantSpellDawg]

After my wedding in September, I'm planning on a gun buying spree. No time to buy like in the months before a Democratic President's possible second term, when he's just itching to pass new laws against lawful gun ownership. Especially this President, who I've come to realize over the past 4 years is a detestable human being. I'm just glad that all of the warnings and criticisms have been proving themselves to be true about him, almost in a cascade. Better before the election than right after.

[a completely inoffensive name]

After my wedding in September, I'm planning on a gun buying spree. No time to buy like in the months before a Democratic President's possible second term, when he's just itching to pass new laws against lawful gun ownership. Especially this President, who I've come to realize over the past 4 years is a detestable human being. I'm just glad that all of the warnings and criticisms have been proving themselves to be true about him, almost in a cascade. Better before the election than right after.

What has he done to restrict gun owners?

[Tuuvi]

What has he done to restrict gun owners?

We all know he wants too. Just because he won't right now doesn't mean he won't try if he wins a second term and no longer has to worry about re-election. Sure he couldn't actually get anything passed but that was kind of a silly thing to say when we know the man is pro-gun control.

[Major Robert Dump]

Well, he does have a congress to deal with.

Executive orders typically don't wash with Constitutional issues.

Also, ACIN, why does ICantSpellDawg like every single one of your posts 30 seconds after you post it. This has been going on for well over a week now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

We all know he wants too. Just because he won't right now doesn't mean he won't try if he wins a second term and no longer has to worry about re-election. Sure he couldn't actually get anything passed but that was kind of a silly thing to say when we know the man is pro-gun control.

So in other words, "I have no evidence that he will, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT OBAMA IS COMING FOR MY FREEDOMS."

Well, he does have a congress to deal with.

Executive orders typically don't wash with Constitutional issues.

Also, ACIN, why does ICantSpellDawg like every single one of your posts 30 seconds after you post it. This has been going on for well over a week now.

Indeed.

ICantSpellDawg and I came to an agreement that since I make a mockery out of his entire world view so easily that it might as well be taken for granted, ICSD will agree with everything I say and I will reserve my free time on demanding sources from Strike on everything he talks about.

[GenosseGeneral]

REgarding body armour, unless it was DIY with steel plates, I imagine it is perversely a lot harder to purchase than guns and loads of bullets.

Speaking at least for Germany: No, it is not. I guess that isnt different for the US. You can easily and legally purchase SAPI or eSAPI plates which are used by the US military, if you know where to. They are supposed to offer protection againsteverything up to AK-47 rounds. Military grade softarmour is also available.
http://www.uktactical.com/acatalog/Body_Armour.html
A source for military-grade body armour in the UK.

[Vuk]

lol, When I saw the crazy shite ICPD was spouting, I thought to myself "That has gotta be a gun-control crazy lib trying to make gun owners look insane. Looks like I was probably right...

And can I ask you guys, what is the craze with AKs? Despite what movies tell you, the round actually sucks compared to full power .30 cal rounds, and even the 5.56 at most ranges.

[Major Robert Dump]

lol, When I saw the crazy shite ICPD was spouting, I thought to myself "That has gotta be a gun-control crazy lib trying to make gun owners look insane. Looks like I was probably right...

And can I ask you guys, what is the craze with AKs? Despite what movies tell you, the round actually sucks compared to full power .30 cal rounds, and even the 5.56 at most ranges.

A 5.56 will go through body armor, as will 5mm handgun rounds

And it is a more lethal round when entering a non lethal part of the body

Funny the 556 NATO is supposed to be more humane because it is less likely to leave a person wounded or dying, and more likley to turn their innards to goo. Funny way to define humane

[Vuk]

A 5.56 will go through body armor, as will 5mm handgun rounds

And it is a more lethal round when entering a non lethal part of the body

Funny the 556 NATO is supposed to be more humane because it is less likely to leave a person wounded or dying, and more likley to turn their innards to goo. Funny way to define humane

While I dislike the 556, I wasn't bashing it. I was actually pointing out that the AK round is inferior to the 556 and most other common rifle rounds. I cannot see why people are so afraid of it. I would much, much rather my enemy had a full auto AK47 than a bolt action 30-06 or a semi-auto AR. I think that the people who are so afraid of AKs and fully automatic weapons are mostly the ones who know nothing about guns. In most mass shooting scenarios, the shooting could be pulled off just as easily or more so with a semi-automatic handgun and extended mags (or even without them) than a full auto AK or AR. (assuming that the objective is to kill as efficiently as possible, and not just scare people, cause panic, and make the press have a field day.

[PanzerJaeger]

While I dislike the 556, I wasn't bashing it. I was actually pointing out that the AK round is inferior to the 556 and most other common rifle rounds. I cannot see why people are so afraid of it. I would much, much rather my enemy had a full auto AK47 than a bolt action 30-06 or a semi-auto AR. I think that the people who are so afraid of AKs and fully automatic weapons are mostly the ones who know nothing about guns. In most mass shooting scenarios, the shooting could be pulled off just as easily or more so with a semi-automatic handgun and extended mags (or even without them) than a full auto AK or AR. (assuming that the objective is to kill as efficiently as possible, and not just scare people, cause panic, and make the press have a field day.

I think you go too far. The AK is a bit antiquated at this point, but I cannot envision a scenario in which a pistol with extended mags could be considered more effective.

[Vuk]

I think you go too far. The AK is a bit antiquated at this point, but I cannot envision a scenario in which a pistol with extended mags could be considered more effective.

Pistols are more concealable, easier to use in tight quarters, arguably faster target acquisition, you can hold a lot of ammo for a little weight, and at the range that most shootings happen, there would not be a significant accuracy difference. The only real advantage the AK would have in most situations is a better 'scare factor'.
EDIT: Also, you can much more easily have a spare weapon that uses the same mags with you if you have pistols, just incase your weapon overheats or malfunctions and you don't have time to sort it out.