Objections to the Sex Trade

[Vuk]

You are staunchly anti porn and anti prostitution, and you do not approve of sex without love. You make that very clear both here and in the past.
I did? I did not say porn should be illegal, I said selling porn should be. There will be plenty of porn without a porn industry. Also, while it is my personal conviction that having sex without love is not smart, I never said I think it makes people evil or that they should not be allowed to do it. My argument to you was not about sex, but abuse, so I fail to see how that has anything to do with anything.

I, on the other hand, see no difference in spending time and money courting a woman to get into her pants, or simply cutting to the chase and paying for what I want if she is willing.

If you don't see the difference between taking a woman in the US out to dinner so you can seduce her, when she has full legal protections and is not financially dependent on you, and paying a woman who for all you know has no choice in her line of work (thanks to what you and people like you do) to sexually pleasure you so she can put food on the table, then you are really blinding yourself.

The idea of these women being trapped in a prison of human trafficking is greatly exaggerated, and virtually non existent, in the business districts of the cities of the PI. It happens to be government regulated. I was not in Burma. I was not in Ecuador. There were no chaved orangutans. Does it happen in the PI? Of course it does, and I did not go to those places.

This may be the only job some of these women can find. I very well understand that. And you may think I am only making this worse by participating. Not only do I disagree with you, but you cannot prove this in any tangible way other than pulling at the heartstrings. In fact, I am making it better for them by being the best customer I can be in the event I decide to make the purchase. Talk all you want about being part of the problem or part of the solution. That's real big talk, and it doesn't work.
Me pulling at heartstrings? "I am giving these women more money than they have seen in their lives because I am such a nice little pervert!"
Me pulling at heartstrings? lol


I got propositioned EVERYWHERE, and by women who were not girls working in the trade. Of course, you would know this if you bothered to read. I got propositioned in the mall. I got propositioned at the car lot. I got propositioned by girls working in coffee shops and girls leaving nursing schools. The poorer the area you go to, the more the propositions come. And these were by women, I am not even talking about all the shady guys who come up and make me offers.
So what? Do you want a pat on the back?
And, you subtley call me a pedophile, which you have yet to apologize for.
No offense man, but you have said a lot of pretty shitty things about me on this forum and never offered up an apology. Yeah, I insinuated you were a pedo because you disgusted me. No, I don't think you probably really are, but the whole "I have dealt with this before." thing doesn't do you any favors.

And, you suggest that I have nothing to offer these women other than money and have no game, when in fact the second half of my tris was nothing but innocent dating of random girls I met here and there. And before you say they are using me as a green card, be advised that I was not born yesterday, and compared to most Filipino men, Al Bundy would be a good catch because he at least goes to work and doesn't beat them.
No, that is not what I suggest. I don't care how handsome you are/think you are, or how well endowed you are/think you are. The point is that if you were not an American they thought they could get something monetary out of, and you were of their social class and lived there, you would not be getting a 1/100 as lucky as you were. And justifying it by saying that other people are worse to them than you is not exactly that great of a justification.
It is abundently clear that you are skimming over what I write. On one hand, you accuse me of playing hero. Then you tell me I could just give the girls money and move on. When say I have done this, you sarcastically say I am playing hero again. Obviously, nothing I do is right.
No, I actually had read all of your posts in full before responding. I did not ridicule you for playing hero. I ridiculed you for taking advantage of people and thinking you were a hero. If you wanted to just help people and think you were a hero, I would have no problem with that. The thing is though that you go over there and sleep with a bunch of desperate women (as you yourself just admitted above) who are sleeping with you for money, and then think yourself a hero.

I have made it clear several times that I plan on pursuing commercial ventures in the pacific, and that I am also trying to make friends, but you apparently didn't catch that. I also recall mentioning that I am still in contact with most of those girls. I say *most* because the ones who I do not talk to have not returned emails or phone calls. We use facebook, skype, email, yahoo and I have an international calling plan and I talk to several per week. I have continued to send gifts for birthdays and plan on sending christmas presents.
I did catch that, but it is irrelevant. It is good that you are staying in contact with them, but that still doesn't mean that what you did was right.
We obviously are not going to agree on this. If you want to continue to troll me and insult me, go right ahead, and understand I will return the favor in full. Or you can just go away, which I am sure everyone would appreciate.
I am not trolling you man, I am completely serious. I'll be polite to you if you be polite to me.
**And I impregnated no one
**And I do not have a daughter and I hate my sister
**And were I a woman, or if I was a muscle head, I would be stripper or a hooker, so you are arguing against something that I would engage in myself given the poortunity. When I was 19 I slept with a 45 year old once to get a summer job, does that count?

Whatever you say.

I am not arguing this one way or the other, because both cases are true. Some would and some wouldn't. As it stands I am in contact with several who would disagree with you. One girl I went on a date with happens to be studying criminal justice and law and can help me with some legal issues I will encounter, so I will probably pay her to consult me. One keeps proposing to me and I keep telling her to cool it. One harasses the others of FB and says I am hers.

Now, if by "be with" we are talking about them using me for money and a green card, then yeah, and the sky is also blue. And so what. People marry for money all the time. If I am the one getting the hot wife half my age who can give me healthy children, believe me, I am not the sucker. The suckers are my friends in unhappy marriages with women who look like Bea Aurthur.

Four nights ago, I picked up a 22 year old in my hotel bar and didn't pay her a cent. In fact, I was on FB shortly after bragging to one of my Org friends about it, amazed that is was free sans a few drinks. Would be great if he would chime in here. So please, all this talk of me "not having it" is comical. I've got it, I just usually don't feel like using it. I am sure there are uglier people than me in the world



The idea that the Filipino women would be appalled by me is laughable if you consider not only some of the western blokes they marry, but also the slim pickins of quality Filipino men. Throw in the fact that many of them blindly worship our culture and it is a no-brainer.

Did we miss the part where I picked girls up outside of the bars? Did we miss the part where they initiated it? Did we miss the part where they left work early and sought me out? Did we miss the part about the behaviors I saw/heard of regarding other visitors and how a modicum of respect goes a long way?

I am not sure why I am defending myself, as it makes it look like I am seeking validation. Were I seeking that, I could have just posted photos with no stories and lied and said I picked all those girls up in a disco. I am trying to be honest.

** Actually, I know why I am responding. It's because I am trying to finish the other chapters and am sitting at the computer, so I see every time someone says something

I don't give a shite if you 'have it' or not. I was never arguing about whether you were hot or not, because frankly, I could not give a damn. Stop being so insecure man. Whether you are hot or not, that still has no effect on you exploiting people in the sex tourism industry.

You have to be kidding me.

Of course there is a sex trade here, it is a fraction of the tourist income. It is practically sanctioned by the government. And I hear you are allowed to gamble in Las Vegas, as well.

Of course there are women here are looking to be swept off their feet and whisked away to paradise.

Believe me, frags, I understand the country very well.

I'm not going to go easy on him

He called me a pedophile You have hardly been kind to me in other threads man, so quit being a crybaby.
He called me the blight of humanity You were acting like one, so get over it.
He basically said in the legal bar scene in the PI it is not okay, but in the illegal bar scene in the states its not so bad because the women have other choices, which incidentally contradicts why he thinks adult entertainment should not be legal, because the women are all victims and didn't get there by free will. My head is spinning. I actually never said that. I said both were bad, but one was worse.
He chided me for not giving them money in exchange for nothing, and when I pointed out that I did, he chided me again. No, I didn't. I said that you thinking you were a hero for helping some while exploiting others was hypocritical, and that it didn't make you a hero. I would have no problem if all you did was give all the girls some money.

I did not engage street walkers. Read again. I went to legal, regulated establishments that treat there workers sooooo poorly that they get free medical care and one of them just uploaded her pictures onto FB from a bar-paid trip for a week in Boracay, Holy cows, I am practically a slave trader.

Vuk do you pay the sheep or do you get them drunk first?
Your ma's not a sheep Cent, she is an old goat! Sheep don't have beards.

And you can't even buy a girl a drink :(

Drunk me had no idea why you kept playing scrabble. Where I come from the binge drinking was "bible study" and the sex was "prayers". Damn Okie

The both of them.

Vuk can't seem to comprehend that women are not damsels needing to be saved, they can in fact be adults and make adult decisions.
I never said that Strike. Black men in the old South and white men in the old North were not damsels that needed saving, and were adults capable of making adult decisions. There still were being exploited. It is not an insult to someone to say that they are being exploited. Anyone, male or femal can be exploited.

precisely. I guess in Vuk and Kadagars' eyes trophy wives are all whores and prostitutes as well and their husbands are scum.

No, my selfproclaimed brat, it is a completely diff animal. 'Trophy wives' have a choice.