U.S. Ambassador and three others killed in Libya.

[Fisherking]

So how will the US respond?

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...ya-3856652.php

[Vladimir]

So how will the US respond?

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...ya-3856652.php

Harsh words for the killers, condolences to the families that suffered losses, and a few drone strikes.

[Fisherking]

This being the run up to election, do you think the Ds can get off that easy without it hurting their chances?

I know yesterday there had already been some sniping. With one killed it was tragic. This brings it to a whole new level.

[Vladimir]

I know yesterday there had already been some sniping. With one killed it was tragic. This brings it to a whole new level.

The new level being drone strikes in Libya. More people are going to be killed but it won't have a strong effect on the election.

[Sir Moody]

there wont be Drone strikes - who would the US bomb?

The Libyan Government didn't support the so called Militamen and in fact tried to stop them, bombing them would be a diplomatic nightmare.

The US will demand the heads of the Militamen (rightfully so) and it will be the reactions of the Libyan government which will determine what happens next

If they crack down and capture/kill the Militia responsible then the US probably wont do anything - if they drag their heels or do nothing then they are going to find themselves in a lot of diplomatic problems... and then the US may consider a Military response

[Fisherking]

We should learn in a few hours. I don’t think the administration can sit on it.

One view on the matter.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...at-does-he-do/

[Hooahguy]

All I can see him doing is him boosting US security in embassies in predominantly Muslim nations. I mean, there really isnt much more that he can do besides demand that the leaders bring whoever did this to justice.

Also, the Muslim world needs to chill out. Seriously.

[Populus Romanus]

I doubt the political will exists anymore for any military action in Libya. The disappointment with the results of the intervention before preclude the possiblity of a second, methinks.

[Fragony]

lol Obama has has condemnded the attacks. It isn't very nice aparantly.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The new level being drone strikes in Libya. More people are going to be killed but it won't have a strong effect on the election.

OK, seriously, what are you smoking?

Drone strikes against a US ally? How do you think that would go down with other allies?

That isn't going to happen, the most proactive thing the US can do is offer to send CIA/FBI bods in to "assist with the investigation".

[Catiline]

OK, seriously, what are you smoking?

Drone strikes against a US ally? How do you think that would go down with other allies?

Ask Pakistan

[rvg]

Ask Pakistan

Or rather, don't ask, just do it.

[Catiline]

Indeed

[Hooahguy]

Or rather, don't ask, just do it.

Dont ask, dont tell.

[Vladimir]

there wont be Drone strikes - who would the US bomb?

The Libyan Government didn't support the so called Militamen and in fact tried to stop them, bombing them would be a diplomatic nightmare.

The US will demand the heads of the Militamen (rightfully so) and it will be the reactions of the Libyan government which will determine what happens next

If they crack down and capture/kill the Militia responsible then the US probably wont do anything - if they drag their heels or do nothing then they are going to find themselves in a lot of diplomatic problems... and then the US may consider a Military response

Yemen, Pakistan...

OK, seriously, what are you smoking?

Drone strikes against a US ally? How do you think that would go down with other allies?

That isn't going to happen, the most proactive thing the US can do is offer to send CIA/FBI bods in to "assist with the investigation".

Ibid.

[Lemur]

All of this talk of force assumes we have good intel, which is news to me. Note that overwhelming force without good intel looks a lot like this.

Anyway, here's the trailer for the film that caused the riots and assassinations. Looks like a substandard student film, honestly. Haven't angry rural subliterate mobs heard of the Streisand Effect?

Obvious and clumsy use of greenscreen, badly dubbed sound ... the people involved in this should have their creative license suspended.

[Moros]

What he should do? Help the authorities and normal Muslim to helps spread moderate believe and help counter extremism, especially the violent kind. Also try to help young people in the US who are vulnerable to extremists seeking them out. It might not provide a feeling of sweet vengeance but the only way to improve the situation. Violence has proven not to work, something that even children could predict, and is only detrimental. Unless you want to commit the largest genocide of yet, violence will not work. Of course trying to help who was responsible, by sending over some detectives wouldn't hurt.

Expanding the usage of drones will not only help you lose your last Muslim allies, likely many more will quit. And let's be honest most aren't really that into the way the US of A's military has been operating, nor been that supportive of most of the USA's military interventions.

Edit: also how difficult is it to make at least a somewhat comprehensible and coherent trailer? I understand acting might be not on par with professionals, nor will a script be as good. But at least make a trailer be more than just complete randomness.

[rvg]

Unless you want to commit the largest genocide of yet, violence will not work.

Think about it though.... a world without muslims... but yeah, you're right. Going apeshit on Libya will accomplish nothing at this point.

[Moros]

Think about it though.... a world without muslims... but yeah, you're right. Going apeshit on Libya will accomplish nothing at this point.

Oh could we only bring the Arab world back to days of Polytheism. When did they only stole cattle and did little raids. But war? No, they'd just bribe you off most of the time. Also camel archers vs M1A2's would be quite a sight.

[rvg]

Oh could we only bring the Arab world back to days of Polytheism. When did they only stole cattle and did little raids. But war? No, they'd just bribe you off most of the time. Also camel archers vs M1A2's would be quite a sight.

It's not an Arab thing, it's a muslim thing.

[rajpoot]

Also camel archers vs M1A2's would be quite a sight.

Considering how effective they are, I'd put my money on the camels in the long run.

[Kadagar_AV]

Tricky tricky...

Seems a bit weird if USA would attack Libya, when you just got the government they have in position. But at the same time, it's not like USA to let things like this go unpunished.

I guess the bible belt is screaming for blood and crusades?

[Lemur]

I guess the bible belt is screaming for blood and crusades?

The Romney campaign seems eager to prove ... something ... with this attack. Not at all clear what he thinks he's going to score by jumping on this.

Republican Mitt Romney slammed the Obama administration's handling of foreign affairs after attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya as foreign policy pushed to the front of the presidential campaign.

Romney branded the administration's early response to the attacks as "disgraceful" in a statement the former Massachusetts governor released before confirmation that the American ambassador had been killed. [...]

Romney pounced on news of the attacks, trying to seize an opportunity to criticize President Barack Obama on an area where voters see him as a stronger leader. Polling shows Americans trust Obama more on foreign policy and national security — areas where Republicans traditionally have an edge in public opinion. [...]

Romney said in his earlier statement that he was outraged by the attacks and the administration's early response seemed to sympathize with the attackers. "It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."

[Fragony]

Tricky tricky...

Seems a bit weird if USA would attack Libya, when you just got the government they have in position. But at the same time, it's not like USA to let things like this go unpunished.

I guess the bible belt is screaming for blood and crusades?

France attacked Libya

[rvg]

Romney said in his earlier statement that he was outraged by the attacks and the administration's early response seemed to sympathize with the attackers. "It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.

He actually has a point there. I agree that our response was disgraceful.

[Kadagar_AV]

France attacked Libya

Fragony, with your history of writings things that can only be described as lunatic, coupled with what seems like an inability to understand simple facts (like with Mein kampf), you really really REALLY have to elaborate more than that when you try to make a point come across.

[Major Robert Dump]

I love how in the statement, rather than invoking the 1st and 2nd amendments, we get a subtle condemnation of the film and filmmaker.

A guy in a country of 300 million people made a bad film that hurt someones feelings. So, change the channel, retards. Using this justification, all of Egypt should burn because the Egyptian restaurant in Houston gave me diarrhea.

[Fragony]

Fragony, with your history of writings things that can only be described as lunatic, coupled with what seems like an inability to understand simple facts (like with Mein kampf), you really really REALLY have to elaborate more than that when you try to make a point come across.

Sorry but it's true

[Lemur]

I love how in the statement, rather than invoking the 1st and 2nd amendments, we get a subtle condemnation of the film and filmmaker.

I must be blind, I'm not seeing the mention of the filmmaker, even in passing. Help me out here. Here's the text of the two statements, one by President 44, one by SecState.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sorry but it's true

Ok, see. When normal people are asked to elaborate, they don't add that what they said is true.

I am trying to make you understand why it's very VERY hard to take what you write seriously. You have some good, if uncomfortable, points at times, I grant you that. However, as long as you keep debating like a pre-schooler you will find that very few bother to listen to what you say, no matter if you are right or wrong.