rvg, some couple of years later?

[Papewaio]

Sure it will. If we could repeal The Prohibition, we can repeal anything.

Except this isn't a domestic law. It was international action. So you can't easily repeal it anymore unless you can revert the damage. As we can't raise the dead I cannot see how other State Actors can be made to not play the same game.

It is now a legitimate act of statehood to assassinate be it drone or radiation. There is no court requirement or innocent until proven guilty.

China and Russia can legitimately poison a dissdent or bomb a house. No need for a court of law to get involved as long as Putin signs off on it that is fine.

New game, new rules. Genie is out of the bottle.

If you really want a do over that would be nigh on impossible. It would require stopping the assassinations internally, a show of contrition, a very real need to prosecute those in the wrong and after all that international treaties with other nations to put this behind us all.

Until that point any regieme can use this new rule set.

[Kadagar_AV]

Except this isn't a domestic law. It was international action. So you can't easily repeal it anymore unless you can revert the damage. As we can't raise the dead I cannot see how other State Actors can be made to not play the same game.

It is now a legitimate act of statehood to assassinate be it drone or radiation. There is no court requirement or innocent until proven guilty.

China and Russia can legitimately poison a dissdent or bomb a house. No need for a court of law to get involved as long as Putin signs off on it that is fine.

New game, new rules. Genie is out of the bottle.

If you really want a do over that would be nigh on impossible. It would require stopping the assassinations internally, a show of contrition, a very real need to prosecute those in the wrong and after all that international treaties with other nations to put this behind us all.

Until that point any regieme can use this new rule set.

This.

But I don't think RVG gets it.

[rvg]

Except this isn't a domestic law. It was international action. So you can't easily repeal it anymore unless you can revert the damage. As we can't raise the dead I cannot see how other State Actors can be made to not play the same game.

Why would we want to revert that?

It is now a legitimate act of statehood to assassinate be it drone or radiation. There is no court requirement or innocent until proven guilty.

And I applaud it. We're not gonna drag every single enemy of the United States to court. They do not deserve that luxury.

China and Russia can legitimately poison a dissdent or bomb a house. No need for a court of law to get involved as long as Putin signs off on it that is fine.

We do not do that.

New game, new rules. Genie is out of the bottle.

About time.

If you really want a do over that would be nigh on impossible. It would require stopping the assassinations internally, a show of contrition, a very real need to prosecute those in the wrong and after all that international treaties with other nations to put this behind us all. Until that point any regieme can use this new rule set.

I have no desire to see this end. In fact, the more of these people we kill, the better. International law gives me zero pause. Zero. I do not care. It is the duty of our government to strike at its enemies wherever and whenever feasible in order to protect our people and our interests. I wish I could convey just how little I care about what the world thinks of this. I wish.

As for the USA turning into a police state and using these methods internally, it is my firm belief that Democracy is a self-correcting system. If the system goes too far, the people will change it. The power is vested with us.

[rvg]

RVG, you're not getting it. Its not just about us.

It is first about us, then everyone else. We're not a charity, our interests come first.

No longer can we point at countries like China and Russia when they do things that are obviously authoritarian. We don't have a leg to stand on.

Sure we can. We do not oppress our own people.

As far as the rest of the world is considered, we're just another big angry empire.

Let them think whatever they like.

And you're whole democracy being self-correcting thing... Care to explain a little more? The only way to self-correct for this is armed insurrection, and Americans just aren't ready for the realities of what that would mean.

Laws get passed, amended and repealed every day. If the people decide that the laws are oppressive, they will change them. If the courts decide that the executive branch is abusing power, we will punish it.

Thankfully, like Rome before us, its good to be on the winning side. But don't kid yourself into thinking this is all about freedom and shit.

If destroying evil is wrong, then I quite frankly do not wanna be right.

[Kadagar_AV]

wow...

[Kadagar_AV]

I think that what RVG fails to see, is that he takes civilization back quite some.

Some of the steps that I am most proud of that humanity has taken, he defends trampling on for some ill-conceived furthering of his nation.

I don't get how he thinks, I'm not sure I even WANT to understand how he thinks.

[rvg]

I don't get how he thinks, I'm not sure I even WANT to understand how he thinks.

To each their own.