2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Hooahguy]

I thought Romney did well, but I think Obama is so vulnerable on the economy that I guess I expected more.

Thats probably why. As for the next debates, Im expecting Ryan to crush Biden, and who knows about the presidential debates 2 & 3?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Thats probably why. As for the next debates, Im expecting Ryan to crush Biden, and who knows about the presidential debates 2 & 3?

Lol, you think Biden is as passive as Obama?

Get off the podium.

[Hooahguy]

I didnt say that Biden was as passive as Obama was, but I do think Biden a terrible speaker and that Ryan will mop the floor with him.

[Xiahou]

Lol, you think Biden is as passive as Obama?

Get off the podium.

Actually, I think Ryan runs the risk of being seen as mean if he's too hard on Biden. It'll look bad if he's seen as picking on a senile old man. Biden can't seem to open his mouth without sticking his foot in it.

I'm not sure whether I get more of a kick out of Chris Matthews or Andrew Sullivan's debate analysis... both are completely beside themselves.

10.29 pm. How is Obama's closing statement so sad, confused and lame? He choked. He lost. He may even have lost the election tonight.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Actually, I think Ryan runs the risk of being seen as mean if he's too hard on Biden. It'll look bad if he's seen as picking on a senile old man. Biden can't seem to open his mouth without sticking his foot in it.

Biden is a good ole boy from the past. He talks very loosely in private ("this is a big ******* deal!") and in moments of legitimacy, but brings the guns to the table when the time comes to fight in public.

Ryan is a smooth talker but he brings no substance, only talking points. He can't even explain his policies because "it would take too long" or something. He is the John Edwards of the GOP, a golden boy who is at heart extremely hollow and fake to the core.


Hooahguy is just being a cheerleader, and that is understandable but I come here for more than that.

[Cecil XIX]

1. Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the
debate -- Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?
Obama 25%
Romney 67%

2. Did Barack Obama do a better or worse job than you expected?
Better 21%
Worse 61%

3. Did Mitt Romney do a better or worse job than you expected?
Better 82%
Worse 10%

8. Overall, did tonight's debate make you more likely to vote for Barack Obama or more likely to
vote for Mitt Romney, or did tonight's debate not affect how you are likely to vote?
More likely to vote for Obama 18%
More likely to vote for Romney 35%

So, how about that debate?

[woad&fangs]

I read the transcripts instead of watching the debate and I have to say I am surprised most people think Romney won. Romney lied a lot. Obama did too but not to nearly as great an extent. The tax numbers Obama quoted in the beginning turned out to be true (based off of Romney's plan to extend the Bush tax cuts and give everyone another 20% cut). Obama mopped the floor with him in that section based off of facts. Both were very rude to the moderator.

The healthcare debate was a toss up. Romney did a good job articulating his ideas of what medicare/healthcare should be. However, his insistence on implying the $716 billion medicare cut hurt seniors was grating and implied something that has been debunked for a while. Part of the cut was negotiated by hospitals and insurers because it would be made up for by increased demand and part was diverting money from an inefficient private version of medicare. I also loved him bringing back the "death panel" meme :eyeroll:. Sooooo 2009.

[Major Robert Dump]

Facts are not important in a debate. Dating back to the very first televised debate, it is all about how you carry yourself and when you unload the zingers. Romney engaged Obama, and Obama seemed to be disinterested and dodgy. He should have stared the man down. He's the president FFS. I wonder if this is how he behaves when he meets with world leaders behind closed doors