So hooked on you

[Fragony]

Learn from France, they aren't so squimish. Roma's are a plague wherever you find them

[Montmorency]

Roma's are a plague wherever you find them

Some might even go so far as to say that we ought to kill them where we find them.

[Fragony]

Some might even go so far as to say that we ought to kill them where we find them.

Pre-emptive toes to shoe-sole attacks you got to love them. But you are right these exist. There are also people who furiously demand you never ever mention the problems with Roma's because even the possibility of problems can't exist in their worldview. There are a lot more of those.

[SoFarSoGood]

Well guess why she's allowed to stay? Because it's one of human rights to enjoy a family life. What about our rights not to be stolen from?

[Fragony]

You have the right to remain silent and pay taxes

[rvg]

You have the right to remain silent and pay taxes

I find it amusing that these guys seem to have no fear of the British legal system, yet they dread the American system. With this extradition we relieved Britain of a huge headache: once the trial is over (and I'm sure he'll be found guilty), the Colorado Supermax will likely become Hook's new home for the remainder of his life. Britain imho needs to toughen up her law enforcement and punishments that go with it. People should be afraid of breaking British laws as much as they are afraid of breaking ours.

[InsaneApache]

The law is very selective about who to prosecute.

[rvg]

The law is very selective about who to prosecute.

It's not about quantity as much as it is about quality: those who do get convicted, especially terrorists and the repeat offenders should land in the clink for decades at a time.

[Fragony]

I find it amusing that these guys seem to have no fear of the British legal system, yet they dread the American system. With this extradition we relieved Britain of a huge headache

Political correctness mia muca, guys like mullah omar know they have an army of furious leftist desillusioned idiots who will do anything to be able to keep believing. After that, dinner.

[rvg]

...idiots who will do anything to be able to keep believing. After that, dinner.

It's almost as if they're under some sort of spell.

[SoFarSoGood]

Britain imho needs to toughen up her law enforcement and punishments that go with it. People should be afraid of breaking British laws as much as they are afraid of breaking ours.

Many here would agree with you but unfortunely we are signatories to European Charter of Human Rights, which though it was set up prosecute Nazis and the like now sees fit to declare that people can't be deported if they a child in the country (not sure if the child even has to been here or not) as otherwise this deprives them of their right to a family life...

Then again you have the death penalty over there which is regarded as barborous in Europe so they European Courts are obliged not to send people to countries where they may face the death sentence.

[Kralizec]

Many here would agree with you but unfortunely we are signatories to European Charter of Human Rights, which though it was set up prosecute Nazis and the like now sees fit to declare that people can't be deported if they a child in the country (not sure if the child even has to been here or not) as otherwise this deprives them of their right to a family life...

Then again you have the death penalty over there which is regarded as barborous in Europe so they European Courts are obliged not to send people to countries where they may face the death sentence.

I'm not an expert on ECHR case law but I think a suspended deportation, i.e. until the kids reach the age of 16-18 would be admissable. Could be wrong though so don't shoot me.

The "main punishment" for the crime (i.e. fine or jail time) ought to be sufficient as a punishment for the crime alone. Otherwise, how are you ever going to adequately punish British criminals? The deportation bit is really secondary in that regard. Two years of jail time for "stealing" that much money seems pretty light to me anyway.

The UK did away with the death penalty long before becoming a signatory to the ECHR. If you reject the death penalty it's a no brainer that you won't extridite people to places where they'll be executed.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The law is very selective about who to prosecute.

The law is not -- though those administering it and adjudicating under its dictates may very well be.


rvg: The idea behind probable cause versus suspicion is that one should NOT release one's own citizen/subject/resident to a foreign court's power unless there is sufficient evidence to warrant a trial. Without enough evidence to suggest that judicial review is warranted, then extradition would be no more than harassment.


regarding free speech and its curtailment:

The standard that I have always preferred is that of "clear and present danger." Telling people that so-and-so is a racist and should be scorned is hateful but does not constitue a crime. Shouting at an armed mob that they should go and kill that no-good racist so-and-so is curtailable, because it is a specific incitement towards violence delivered in an already tense/charged setting -- a clear and present danger -- that such speech exacerbates.

[Fragony]

It's almost as if they're under some sort of spell.

I call it it the suffocating social controll of correctness. Political correctness is social-control after all. Leftist people are just more prone to fear of social exclusion I think. I don't really blame them but I am not taking them all that serious either. The bad part is that they have already won.