Pirate Ship Mafia II [Concluded]

[NinjaCow64]

Diana...why on Earth did you lead an attack against Jolt? It no make sensey.

Anyway, gg everyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Heh, I had a sneaking suspicion that ATPG really was just a townie all along.

Duh.

And a really effective one too.

1) I came up with the treasure-steal / protect gold plan, and insisted it be used by only the men the Captain personally trusted. That soft-cleared a lot of folks.
2) I told the Captain that Double A was suspicious for joining my group late, and that I expected one of the folks in my group to have been converted. Right on both counts.
3) I came up with the mercenary idea to sell our services knowing that folks who do not have a gold win condition would eventually hire us. Visorslash did. And I mentioned he was probably Spanish or something in my QTs.

So, in spite of my VERY VERY greedy play, I was also playing townie to the best of my abilities.


I also stuck to my personal goals:

1) A member of the Three Musketeers surviving the game (check)
2) Contacting only one person the entire game for recruitment purposes (DaveShack, check)
3) Not organizing any groups / networking other than working with the group that hired me (Diana's was the only group that attempted to use me)

I proved to myself I don't have to lead or organize in these types of games.

I also demonstrated a lot of cojones taunting Andres and never asking for protection once all game.

The sole mistake I made really was attempting to work with Tincow, who I mistook for someone who wanted to be Captain. But I would have betrayed him mercilessly anyway.


Also, Zack- If BSmith had been on board, you'd definitely have been dead. I only betrayed Visorslash when it was clear he was never going to become Captain or kill you via any means.

Even if the very next move would have been my death, I still would have tried to make Visorslash's goals come true. Because it's fun, not because I expected to survive this game.


PS- I love goooooold.

[Zack]

I feel kind of guilty for moving the game towards "everyone reveals their night actions to me and participates in a vig group or they're killed/lynched," because as effective as it is, I feel like it might have sucked out the fun for a lot of people. Not to mention ended the game pretty abruptly.

I'm also shocked that even though I clearly had much more gold than anyone else the entire duration of the game, a mutiny never came even close to fruition (in the thread, that is). I also survived as long as I did due to a lot of dumb luck (such as TinCow trying to steal from me, inadvertently revealing me as town).

[Askthepizzaguy]

If more people cared about the gold win condition (which is weighted equally with a town win, in the rules) I can't imagine you'd have survived.

If folks had been playing for wealth like me... well.

Let's put it like this, some of the most fun I had this game was scheming up ways to be greedy and steal everyone's gold.

I was going to roleblock someone with the QM position and have the entire Merry Men steal from them.

My last words when this tactic inevitably blows up in my face would have been "I still stole your gold, suckers!"

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm also shocked that even though I clearly had much more gold than anyone else the entire duration of the game, a mutiny never came even close to fruition (in the thread, that is). I also survived as long as I did due to a lot of dumb luck (such as TinCow trying to steal from me, inadvertently revealing me as town).

I had an event that was due to kick in this day phase that was going to list the exact gold amounts for the top 10 players, which probably would have set one off. Sadly, the game ended earlier than I expected so it was all for naught.

[Arjos]

3) I came up with the mercenary idea to sell our services knowing that folks who do not have a gold win condition would eventually hire us. Visorslash did. And I mentioned he was probably Spanish or something in my QTs.

Funnily enough, if me and Visor ever got 400 gold in total, he would've automatically gained the captaincy. With my death, I guess he went for "buying" co-op :P

[Zack]

I had an event that was due to kick in this day phase that was going to list the exact gold amounts for the top 10 players, which probably would have set one off. Sadly, the game ended earlier than I expected so it was all for naught.

I should note that if the threat of a mutiny arose in the thread, with a substantial number of votes in favor, I had plans to fight off such an uprising:

• Threaten to reveal all of my info, which was substantial, to the mafia.
• If I played the above right, I could gain info about the mafia and then use that as leverage not to mutiny, or I would never reveal it.
• In addition, promise anyone who didn't vote to mutiny ten gold apiece.

Of course, if that enabled me to survive through the day, I would immediately resign, fail to follow through on any of those promises, reveal all my info to the mafia anyways, then abandon ship. Hey, I value my personal victory as much as the next guy.

[Double A]

I feel kind of guilty for moving the game towards "everyone reveals their night actions to me and participates in a vig group or they're killed/lynched," because as effective as it is, I feel like it might have sucked out the fun for a lot of people. Not to mention ended the game pretty abruptly.

I'm also shocked that even though I clearly had much more gold than anyone else the entire duration of the game, a mutiny never came even close to fruition (in the thread, that is). I also survived as long as I did due to a lot of dumb luck (such as TinCow trying to steal from me, inadvertently revealing me as town).

Like Pizza says every other serious post, I vastly prefer games where you're matching wits, not spreadsheets. It sucks the fun out of a game when you just look at hard data and little else, especially in a themed game where balance is less of a thing. If someone is playing to win, then the gameroom is not the right forum for them.

[Zack]

If someone is playing to win, then the gameroom is not the right forum for them.

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

[Visor]

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

You know what he means, (I highly doubt you don't).

Personally I agree with him, I'm not a big fan of spreadsheeting myself.

Thanks for the game GH, I enjoyed my role, though it seems everything was doomed to fail by the start.

[Montmorency]

Personally I agree with him, I'm not a big fan of spreadsheeting myself.

He's right. The best way to massively network is by winging it. If you forget to assign orders one night, well, that just adds to the excitement.

[Visor]

He's right. The best way to massively network is by winging it. If you forget to assign orders one night, well, that just adds to the excitement.

I was annoyed that you died, as I was hoping you would be of service in helping me. Also your lynch was crap, which I did say earlier.

[El Barto]

Jolt (Guardacosta Lieutenant) (n5)

Indeed, Diana was in on that one and actually set it up. But I'm not sure she knew of the identities of all the Spanish people.

Duh.

And a really effective one too.

1) I came up with the treasure-steal / protect gold plan, and insisted it be used by only the men the Captain personally trusted. That soft-cleared a lot of folks.
2) I told the Captain that Double A was suspicious for joining my group late, and that I expected one of the folks in my group to have been converted. Right on both counts.
3) I came up with the mercenary idea to sell our services knowing that folks who do not have a gold win condition would eventually hire us. Visorslash did. And I mentioned he was probably Spanish or something in my QTs.

So, in spite of my VERY VERY greedy play, I was also playing townie to the best of my abilities.

I also stuck to my personal goals:

1) A member of the Three Musketeers surviving the game (check)
2) Contacting only one person the entire game for recruitment purposes (DaveShack, check)
3) Not organizing any groups / networking other than working with the group that hired me (Diana's was the only group that attempted to use me)

And you were actually rather loyal to us, Zack came to me saying that you had sold us off in exchange for being Quartermaster… which you'd already told us in a separate QT to which he never got access.

Of course, I engaged in Agent Mulder mode from the beginning up, never trusted Double A or the other Merry Men (and I was right!), and expected you, Diana or me to be converted before the end of the game (I was right as well).
I also took advantage of the chance to engage in Talk like a Pirate mode and do goofy antics -like Agent Mulder!

I proved to myself I don't have to lead or organize in these types of games.

Yes you did.

I also demonstrated a lot of cojones taunting Andres and never asking for protection once all game.

That, too.

The sole mistake I made really was attempting to work with Tincow, who I mistook for someone who wanted to be Captain. But I would have betrayed him mercilessly anyway.

Of course you would. Who wouldn't've?

He's right. The best way to massively network is by winging it. If you forget to assign orders one night, well, that just adds to the excitement.

Or, it tips you off as being a mafiascum like Double A. Well, we had a double error in type, but yay!

[El Barto]

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[Zack]

Like Pizza says every other serious post, I vastly prefer games where you're matching wits, not spreadsheets. It sucks the fun out of a game when you just look at hard data and little else, especially in a themed game where balance is less of a thing. If someone is playing to win, then the gameroom is not the right forum for them.

You know what he means, (I highly doubt you don't).

Personally I agree with him, I'm not a big fan of spreadsheeting myself.

Thanks for the game GH, I enjoyed my role, though it seems everything was doomed to fail by the start.

To be fair, Double A and Jolt were going to be killed regardless of any spreadsheet. They weren't exactly Mr. and Mrs. Townie.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, in case you haven't guessed it yet I won't be able to finish things today. Postgame stuff should be up tomorrow.

[seireikhaan]

And I never got to my big fake reveal. :'(

Not sure why I ended up rp'ing the way I did, just sorta happened. Was going to do something bizarre and dumb fairly soon to try and get TC captain. Then was going to mutiny against him so I could slay god. Or try, anyways.

[Diana Abnoba]

Diana...why on Earth did you lead an attack against Jolt? It no make sensey.

Anyway, gg everyone.

There was no other choice, I knew that Zack and my "townie" group wanted him dead that night, along with Double A. Then I found out that at least 1 other vig group was going after Double A, so I figured that Zack would have another group do Jolt, at least with my group doing it I could change my orders and try and make it fail. I thought that Zack would have a back up plan, but this was all I could do to try and spoil his plans. A hail Mary so to speak. If it worked I would figure out who to blame, that didn't put their orders in the next day if I could (to keep my townie appearance). If that didn't work, I would have been outed as mafia convert, and hopefully take the spotlight off Jolt. *See mafia QT*
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/kqi7awbfPDKg

I believe the 2 merry men QT's are already in thread now, these were my "townie" groups QT's, one before Pizza's death and one after (and Zack was given it by Pizza)
But here was our 3 Musketeers real QT between Pizza, El Barto and myself. http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/dFc3B4ihM4AXG This is the second one, can El Barto or Pizza please post the first one (can't find it now). Thanks. These 2 QT never went to ANYONE else. I never gave it to the mafia, and Pizza never gave it to Zack. That why we had 2 QT's with my townie group.
Read the QT it may answer many of everyone's questions. I was kinda boned when I got converted, my group thought that Double A and Jolt were questionable, and I help start the bandwagon on Makrell and got him lynched. THEN I get converted and find that now I needed to try and protect these guys. Couldn't make a complete 180 over night. Well you'll see in the QTs, what I tried to do, I just didn't have enough time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8ChxndZ2xCPpN

The genuine Three Musketeers QT-

I don't sell out my actually secret quicktopics. The one I gave Zack was the dummy one.

Here we plotted to ruin others and steal from them, like bastardly pirates. Which is what I thought the point of the game was.

There will soon come a game where there will be three quicktopics, each one more secret than the last. And none of them will contain any of my actual plans.

Our plans came to an abrupt halt by the all-powerful Zackbeard, but nonetheless, our quicktopic is still cooler than yours.

[Diana Abnoba]

Found it http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8ChxndZ2xCPpN


Oh never mind, thanks Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

-Insert "pizza being too quick on the draw" joke here.-

[Double A]

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

Yes it is. It was the sleepiness talking. Of course, I'm sure you know I mean that the Gameroom isn't about winning and only winning. Fun is definitely a thing here, which is more than I can say about mafiascum. Forum's full of jerkpants.

To be fair, Double A and Jolt were going to be killed regardless of any spreadsheet. They weren't exactly Mr. and Mrs. Townie.

Yay I feel better now.

Though to be fair, I tend to not give a crap about groups when I have alternatives. I can't believe you haven't been paying attention to me!

[JoanK]

Was gonna ask Mr. El Barto which was that other QT that ATPG had kept secret. And now I see these. I feel manipulated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Was gonna ask Mr. El Barto which was that other QT that ATPG had kept secret. And now I see these. I feel manipulated.

And yet, you're still here and I'm missing half my face and rotting all over the deck.

Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.

[Visor]

And yet, you're still here and I'm missing half my face and rotting all over the deck.

Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.

I'm assuming bad things = JoanK being alive, and bad people = JoanK.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm assuming bad things = JoanK being alive, and bad people = JoanK.

Bad things = blunderbuss at point blank range and bad people = Pizza, on a good day.

[JoanK]

Bad things = blunderbuss at point blank range and bad people = Pizza, on a good day.

Just what I thought.

[Double A]

Bad things = blunderbuss at point blank range and bad people = Pizza, on a good day.

Roll to dodge!
12!

Visor does a barrel roll and Pizza's blunderbuss only rips up his shirt. Visor gains +3 sexyness.

[Andres]

This game didn't have to end after catching all the Spaniards. I'll always wonder what would've happened if we continued play: mutiny after mutiny and excessive killing and stealing at night, tearing each other apart until only one pirate with a ship full of gold would've remained?

Anyway, well played everybody.

And thanks for hosting, GH

[Andres]

Killed: Askthepizzaguy (n4) (Spanish Spaniard who was also a Spaniard, but secretly. In fact, he was so secretly Spanish, not even the host was aware of his Spanishness, luckily for all of you, Andres discovered this vile Spaniard, winning this game singelhandedly).

Ha! I knew it!