America: Only Western "Civilised" nation with the death penalty.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I'm sorry, but if you guys didn't speak English, wear suits and have a majority-white population Europe wouldn't look at you.
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America: Only Western "Civilised" nation with the death penalty.
I'm sorry, but if you guys didn't speak English, wear suits and have a majority-white population Europe wouldn't look at you.
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look at us for what?
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My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Yeah. We're awesome like that.
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The way I understand it is that the guy is mentally unstable and extradition would exacerbate his suicidal tendencies. Extradition to the US in this particular case would be inhumane, not in general.
It's also noteworthy that in order to refuse extradition the Home Secretary willfully used the Human Rights Act, which she repeatedly bashed on other occasions when it got in the way of extraditing brown people.
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Yeah, those who arrange acts of terrorism / incite violence are completely equal to a hacker looking for data on UFOs... the only difference is the colour of their skin!
Racist!! Raaaaaacist!!!
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Not so much. The nature of the crime for which extradition is requested isn't really relevant; if McKinnon was wanted for a much more serious crime the reasoning would have been just as valid. Allthough it admittedly is hard to picture a timid nerd with asperger syndrome as committing an act of terror or whatever.
The phrasing ("brown people") was meant to be trollish, glad to see I succeeded
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I think the nature of the crime should have a bearing - especially if the nature of the crime is not recognised in the UK.
We should have done what Germany did when one of their doctors accidentally killed two patients in the UK on the same shift. They tried him over there and gave him some pathetic slap on the wrist for a double manslaughter. So, we try him for this and give him say 12 weeks community service. Since he has been "punished" for his crimes, end of matter.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
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That's a dilemma. You could argue it's ridiculous to allow extradition for crimes that don't have an equivalent in your own system, but on the other hand people are generally expected to obey the laws of the land they happen to be on. McKinnon did not physically visit the USA, but the impact of his actions was in the USA, which I expect is the reason why the USA claims jurisdiction (and the UK doesn't deny it)
I'd be surprised to learn that hacking into MI6' computer systems would not technically be punishable under UK law.
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Is that this guy?
It's hard to commment except by saying that he comes across as a dangerously incompetent/lax "doctor" whose formal qualifications are in doubt. I don't know the facts of the case, what Germany's motives were to keep him from British justice, or more generally what Germany's policy on extradition is.
It reminds me of a Dutch neurologist who falsely and deliberately diagnosed dozens of patients with Alzheimer and other ailments and gave them treatments they didn't need. I don't think I ever read anything definitve, but there was speculation that his motive was monetary; with the money from treatment he could fund his own drug addictions. The neurologist was scrapped from the register but about a year later he was found to be working at a German hospital. I'm pretty sure there were plans to prosecute him for this and some other stuff, but I don't know what happened since.
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