The House of Origin [Concluded]

[autolycus]

Montmorency, I have to say, I'm curious why both you and your partner seem to be kill-resistant?

[Visor]

I'm not going to vote today. I'm sorry, i'm not really coping at the moment. Sorry,

[Riedquat]

The killers missing would be:

1. Chaotix' killer on N3.
2. My attacker on N3.
3. Edse's killer on N3.
4. Riedquat's killer on N3.

Assuming Andres and CB were baddies, we should have two of these to deal with.

This is not entirely correct, for obvious reasons I can not tell you why but following your reasoning your looking for only one left. Look at your short list and tell yourself what is different! ;)

[edse]

This is not entirely correct, for obvious reasons I can't not tell you why but following your reasoning your looking for only one left. Look at your short list and tell yourself what is different! ;)

Yes we can!

[Riedquat]

Yes we can!

lol thanks! I'm not doing like working today either :P


Edit: Must be something in the air... I don't know what I'm talking about... Other not understanding me is more or less common thing, but not understanding myself isn't.

[autolycus]

Buddhafish was indeed scum. We can see that he attacked Ishmael. I think it likely that he was the one who killed Makrell on N3.

How do we see that he attacked Ishmael? In fact, if he attacked Ishmael, I think he didn't kill Makrell, but rather killed Riedquat. The Ishmael attacker is about bees and fear, which matches Riedquat's killer. Makrell's killer is red text with an overwhelming drive to kill.

Going through the days:
Night 1: First introduction of the bee man. With Salat.
Atheotes Killed. 2 people, blasphemer focus
Ishmael attacked. 3 people, very strange, with Wheel of Time reference (possibly just due to Ishmael's name)
JoanK killed. 4 (3) people, blood spilled in fountain. Defiler, vig kill? (Tincow, Riedquat, Bsmith

Night 2:
TinCow attacked. 4 people (montmorency, Ishmael, Arjos, Double A?) protected by Lazy and I.
Bsmith killed. 1 person, blasphemer focus
Arjos killed. 2 people, seem to have killed before, bleeding them out, sounds like scum.
Zack killed. 5 people, seems to be vig kill. (Tincow, Riedquat, Bsmith, 2 others)
Snakes. Continuation of the bee man story? No Salat.
Ironside killed. 1 person, Red kill.

Night 3:
Montmorency attacked. Wierdo with Morningstar 3 people seem to be with Monty
Chaotix killed 1 person, blasphemer focus
Riedquat killed. Bee man? Fear focus But with Hashel this time. Strange.
Makrell killed. Red kill. 3 people with him.
Edse killed. Curved daggers also showed up in the Joan K kill
White-Eyes killed. Lazy and I

night 4
ishmael attacked. Fear Focus (Bear Pelt confirms it)
Buddhafish killed Creepiness. 7 people, apparently vig? Curved daggers.
Capt. Blackadder killed. Lazy and I


10 people documented acting.

Currently Alive
Askthepizzaguy : Apparently keeps missing orders.
Autolycus Active with Lazy
Choxorn
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael paired with Monty. Survived fear attack, survived 3 person (that may just be failed vig)
Jarema
Lazy McCrow Active with Lazy
Montmorency paired with Ishmael Survived mace attack
Visorslash

Monty, who all was on the Buddhafish kill?

[autolycus]

More thoughts, sorry to text wall:
There was no red kill yesterday or blasphemer. Since 10 people acted last night, and atpg says he didn't do anything, we have confirmation that someone who died last night was active, almost certainly bear-skin man, probably buddhafish.
My current theory: All we have left is Edse's killer, who was also part of the Arjos kill, and buddhafish's weirdness was mostly about buddhafish.
Monty and Ishmael claim to have been with atpg trying to protect makrell that night, so they do seem pretty cleared.

That leaves: choxorn, double A, Jarema, GH and Visorslash.

Double A was on the TinCow attack, so he seems more likely to be innocent.

I'll vote: choxorn for the moment, but I'd like the others to tell me what they've been up to.

[LazyMcCrow]

Sounds good. Your wall of text was actually pretty concise!
unvote: Double A vote: Choxorn

[autolycus]

Ishmael, do you have an explanation for how you survived last night?
You've said Monty is townish 3rd party, which explains his survival of mace-man/ mace-man may have been solo townie, doomed to failure.
You haven't explained how you survived bear-pelt man, who previously had been an effective killer.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATPG was in on the Buddhafish kill and even CC'd us all on his order. So I'm not really sure why he's claiming he didn't do anything at night.

[Riedquat]

You've said Monty is townish 3rd party, which explains his survival of mace-man/ mace-man may have been solo townie, doomed to failure.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Choxorn
Vote: ATPG

I'll be honest, ATPG with an ironclad alibi is when I least trust him.

These are khaan's games, khaan's games are never solvable by the brute-force approach as town. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that the town faction has never won in any of his games. Furthermore, Pizza has continuously drawn attention to himself over the course of the game even when the focus was not on him. Look at his post history:

I was roleblocked by bees N1, for the record.

That is why Ishmael did not die N1. We were short on numbers because I did not show up, due to the horrible, horrible bees.

Out of nowhere.

I actually have no problem with continuing the theme.

Why not?

What are the odds TC is scum anyway.

Tincow, should I die tonight? You decide. I have no partner anymore and I'm asking absolutely NO-body for protection.

Decide someone else's fate! Please! This will be so fricking sweet.

Out of nowhere.

Nice.

For the record, because I have no partner, I did nothing N2.

I was obviously part of the failed kill on Ishmael N1.

If I die tonight, maybe that info will be useful, maybe it won't, I'll be too dead to really care.

Thanks for the game, gentlemens!

Continued emphasis on something (no partner) that nobody has brought up, ever.

Can someone explain to me why, out of four vigilante attacks/murders, none were aimed at me? I thought we were doing what Tincow wanted.

Hey, I did nothing last night, as I have no partner, was roleblocked N1, and no one else has bothered to ask me to do anything.

edit: five. Five things. Fear, surprise, really nice bright red uniforms, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope, and the soft cushions.

Out of nowhere.

I was blocked again last night, this time by someone who put me to sleep.

No bees.

You know, I'm just a vanilla townie. You can keep blocking me all you like, it's a waste of your time. I joined a failed protection group last night which failed due to me and Double A.

Out of nowhere.

So, now what do I do?

Shall I resume thumb-twiddling?

Anyone have any use for an unpartnered person.

Hey look, Pizza brings up that he doesn't have a partner.

Ah.

In case people are wondering, I was apparently the absentee in the 8 person party boat.

AGAIN.

It's all part of my brilliant mafia strategy of announcing that I'm just not going to ever really participate in your little groups, and then laugh about it.

You wish you had a plan as brilliant as this.

There were eight people supposed to show up for the kill on Buddhafish. All 8 people sent in orders. Pizza then comes out and says that he was the odd man out. No explanation for why or anything.

I'm not going to pretend that I know everything that's going on in this game, not even close. But I have a hunch. And it's a pretty strong one. I think Pizza's been taunting us this entire game. And I think he's the "bees" killer.

[Montmorency]

Players who sent confirmations for the Buddhafish vig last night: everyone but you two, Buddhafish, and Jarema. Jarema was not in on the kill.

You've said Monty is townish 3rd party, which explains his survival of mace-man/ mace-man may have been solo townie, doomed to failure.

Alright, here's the short story: I roleblocked Buddhafish. I was pretty sure he was scum, you see.

Vote: ATPG

Pizza has been acting very strange, yes. He dropped a few literal scumtells, but they may have been jokes. On the other hand, it seems JoanK was his partner, and the way he reacted to his death made him sound like a power role or scum. I know of the existence of two townie power roles (one now dead), so JoanK must have been scum. I think this may be the secret broken scum-pair we've discussed previously.

Vis-a-vis my own role: I used my roleblock on Pizza N1. It may be that the disruption, combined with the loss of his partner, is what led him to act so strangely. He was basically asking to be lynched. From there, I don't know what to conclude.

[autolycus]

Wait, you blocked Buddhafish last night. Are you able to both block and join vig teams?
So it was these people
Atpg
Choxorn
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
Visorslash
Captain Blackadder

and you who were supposed to kill Buddhafish and Pizza didn't show?

You blocked Pizza night 1. So was that the bees that day?
How about you tell us who or what you actually are.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GeneralHankerchief:

I am mafia. I am the bees killer. I was roleblocked by my own bees.


I will now buzz at you annoyingly, and continue to vote for you for no reason whatsoever.

DIE FOOLISH TOWNIE DIE

[Askthepizzaguy]

I suppose I'm not allowed to do that.

Fine. Ruin it for me.

"I am not mafia. Just very annoyed."

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG was in on the Buddhafish kill and even CC'd us all on his order. So I'm not really sure why he's claiming he didn't do anything at night.

Bl....o.....cked.

Not allowed to act. No can do nothing, senor.

[Montmorency]

I'm not sure what happened earlier, but apparently Riedquat and edse spilled beans? What did they say, exactly?

I am indeed a third party role, and I win a major victory by surviving. I can do a group action on the same night as I use the roleblock. It evidently works through illusion.

A minor victory is to block the same target several times and have him survive to the end.

The sour note is that the Minor VC process causes the target to become a random 50%-chance-to-kill SK. I think I survived that attack because Pizza randomly attacked me, and failed the check.

***

Note: there were three with me in that writeup. One of them was GH, who protected me solo on a lark because his role is handicapped with a very low action success rate. It's why he asked for medicinal expertise in-thread. The second was Ishmael. Double A was late by 18 minutes, but Ishmael claims his confirmation PM was within the deadline according to his time. Pizza has twice claimed that he could not participate in an action, and it began the night he was fully "Marked".

There was no indication of it earlier, but I think the process might actually mess dudes up. My understanding was that the night the process was completed would not involve a roleblock, and that the random SKing would not interfere with other actions...



I had privately revealed these things to Ishmael, Visorslash, and Pizza prior to this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I did my part and kept silent on that matter.

But I was and still am severely annoyed by it. I kept my mouth shut as to what was really happening for the sake of being fair.

I don't see why I couldn't just go KILL MONTY and start screeching "release me" like the alien in Independence Day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not going to pretend that I know everything that's going on in this game, not even close. But I have a hunch. And it's a pretty strong one. I think Pizza's been taunting us this entire game.

I have been taunting you. The end result is I either have fun, or someone kills me and I no longer have to be Monty's lapdog, or both.

One way or the other, the annoyingness is now coming to an end. Yay. At long last, yay.

Being helpless and without knowledge the entire game, only to be told why I'm helpless and ineffective, and if I say anything it will ruin someone else's fun, that's a lame situation to be in.

Everyone else got to do stuff. I got to do nothing literally the entire game so far.

Lost my partner N1. Been a zombie slave of Monty ever since.

It's like Khaan figured out my nightmare scenario and designed a game based off of that, just to get me back for all those times I lynched him when he was mafia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This actually makes sense to me. Right now it seems like the host is trolling all of us equally, which is right up his alley.

-edit- this doesn't even factor into account Pizza's above post, but I can sympathize and it fits my point anyway. All of a sudden I feel better about me not being able to do much at night myself - at least I'm not anyone's puppet.

[autolycus]

If Pizza is bee man, then there is something strange going on with you, monty, because you just said that you survived because Pizza failed the roll. Pizza didn't attack you, he attacked Ishmael. @pizza: Any idea why you were with Salat the first night and Hashel the third?


Something isn't adding up here.

For the moment, unvote, vote; askthepizzaguy

Monty, we'd better not see your ability again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This actually makes sense to me. Right now it seems like the host is trolling all of us equally, which is right up his alley.

I'm still gonna vote for and troll you. It's all I have left man, because you and Khaan are such good buddies.

I want you both to feel my pain.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Choxorn

[autolycus]

As for beans spilling, Ishmael told me you were 3rd party. You two and Lazy are the only people who I have communicated with outside the thread, so they didn't spill any beans to me, anyway.

@Montmorency: So who got the snakes?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Pizza is bee man, then there is something strange going on with you, monty, because you just said that you survived because Pizza failed the roll. Pizza didn't attack you, he attacked Ishmael. @pizza: Any idea why you were with Salat the first night and Hashel the third?


Something isn't adding up here.

For the moment, unvote, vote; askthepizzaguy

Monty, we'd better not see your ability again.

Awesome, he's not paying close attention.

YES AUTOLYCUS I AM THE BEE MAN

I WILL STING EVERYONE!!!


BUZZZZ!!! BUZZZ!!!! BUZZZZ with an even more threatening tone and harsh violin chords! Scary!

I'll murder you tonight Autolycus with my big bee stinger.


Also: Who or what are Salat and Hashel? You know better than I. Hell, I literally do not know where I am going every night. Monty has to tell me after the fact.

[Montmorency]

Pizza didn't attack you, he attacked Ishmael

No no, I was attacked N3. Ishmael was attacked N4. Buddha attacked Ishmael N4, as the writeup clearly shows, and failed because I blocked him.

So who got the snakes?

It's a three-step process: Pizza.

[autolycus]

Those are the names of the people you appeared with on Nights 1 and 3, when you had the bee hallucinations, just like I am Heshin, the vanilla guy who runs around with first-person Lazy McCrow. Your partner would be the logical person if it stayed the same, but it changed.

The Emperor really does look to have screwed this one up, I thought as I walked with Salat down another narrow corridor. Here we all are, running around like chickens without their heads, and getting butchered off one by one, all while trying, likely In vain, to find some escape. I sighed. “Salat, are you sure about this?” I asked, turning to him. What? Salat? Impossible, he was just here! That idiot, running off, he’ll get himself killed! “Salat, not amusing!” I yelled out. There was no response but my echo. I wouldn’t be so irritated about him being taken down, but him ditching leaves me in a precarious position too. With a huff, I kept going down the path, hoping this was just an idiotic prank. I found my way at an intersection, one path going left, one right, one straight ahead. I was pondering which way when I heard a buzzing. It was growing louder. From… behind? I whipped around, and was shocked that a swarm of bees in front of me. Impossible, we were underground! I felt a sharp prick upon my face as if to answer that as the swarm closed in. Oh gods, why bees. I hate bees… “NOT THE BEES!” I screamed at the top of my lungs and sprinted into what I hoped would be a safe haven down one of the halls.

It’s good to be out doing something,” I said to Hashel. “Hopefully we can head off any more bloodshed.” The emperor had just dismissed us, and we already had a plan together; even if some didn’t want it, we were going to help save lives, rather than cause further mayhem. Hashel didn’t answer me, but kept walking. “Hashel?” I asked. He was usually quite talkative, so his silence was odd. He stopped, and slowly turned his head to me. I gasped.

His eyes had become a violent shade of deep red, and blood was seeping down his face from a wound that stretched across it. He opened his mouth to say something, and a swarm of bees came spewing forth. They swarmed around me, and in a panic, I took flight down the hallway away from the monster that Hashel had become. Still, the swarm followed me, until I found I had taken a wrong turn, and ran into a dead end. I cowered and sat down, putting my head into my knees, trying to pretend the swarm wasn’t there. Naturally, the bees instead descended upon me, landing all over me, into my hair, across my arms and legs. Yet, they did not sting. They walked across me like a second, barbed skin, but no harm came to me.

Of course… I lifted my head, and more of the insects descended upon my face. It was my fear that was disabling me. It was not the insects, nothing else. Without warning, their buzzing grew louder, and they flew from me, and reformed their swarm in front of me. They moved out, slowly, as though inviting me to follow. I followed, renewed in my confidence. It was as though I was reborn! What a glorious feeling! I followed the swarm back to the camp, which currently was deserted. It hovered over where my belongings lay.

“Yes, yes…” I whispered. “It’s so logical, how did I never see it!” I rummaged through my belongings and found my treasured bear pelt, a trophy from a hunt with the emperor himself. I threw it across my shoulders, the maw of the slain beast resting upon my head. I grabbed my knife. The hunt, the glorious hunt was renewed! I was suddenly aware of how silent it was. The swarm, my guide, had vanished. It was no trouble. They had shown me the path, shown me how to overcome my fear. I took off at a sprint down the nearest hallway, reveling in the exuberance of fearlessness. I turned a corner and ran straight into Riedquat, who was limping along. We tumbled to the ground in a heap. Riedquat immediately began to scramble away from me. Was this… fear? I must show him to overcome it! As the swarm did for me! I scrambled to my feet as well, and lunged at him, bringing my knife to bear. It slashed his forearm as I tumbled into him again.

How bizarre. He didn’t seem to come to the revelation! Instead, he kept screaming like he was in pain! It hadn’t been enough, clearly. I brought my knife into his gut and twisted it. Still he screamed! I brought it down into his chest. His neck. I gashed his face. Finally. Silence. His face was quite still, beautifully decorated with crimson. He finally understood the absence of fear. I picked myself up. My bear pelt had fallen off during the scrum. Well, at least it hadn’t gotten blood on it. I threw it around my shoulders once more and stalked off to see if I couldn’t find anyone else to teach the glory of fearlessness…

[autolycus]

Monty, you're making no sense. The bear-skin guy is the guy who has "conquered his fear" who is clearly pizza and clearly attacked Ishmael. The guy with the mace seems highly unlikely to be the same. You're lying, and there's only one response for that.

Unvote, Vote: montmorency.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So I'm actually a snake man, or am I a bee man?

I do know this: If left unchecked, I may/may not kill some/all of you eventually. For I am the sort-of-serial-killer that has a town win condition still, who can't pick who he kills, so I have no way of advancing my win condition except by vote. And I happen to be an ineffective sort-of-serial killer, so I'm not even good at the thing that I can't control.

It's the perfect storm of khaan-trolling.

Get it? Because I'm being controlled? Khaan-trolled?

Wait, on preview it says I'm a bear man.

Am I a bear, a snake, or a bee?

Am I town or serial killer?

I mean.... but... wha...




KHAAAAN!!!!