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    Every schoolboy used to know that at the height of the empire, almost a quarter of the atlas was coloured pink, showing the extent of British rule.

    But that oft recited fact dramatically understates the remarkable global reach achieved by this country.

    A new study has found that at various times the British have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.

    The analysis of the histories of the almost 200 countries in the world found only 22 which have never experienced an invasion by the British.

    Among this select group of nations are far-off destinations such as Guatemala, Tajikistan and the Marshall Islands, as well some slightly closer to home, such as Luxembourg.

    The analysis is contained in a new book, All the Countries We've Ever Invaded: And the Few We Never Got Round To.

    Stuart Laycock, the author, has worked his way around the globe, through each country alphabetically, researching its history to establish whether, at any point, they have experienced an incursion by Britain.

    Only a comparatively small proportion of the total in Mr Laycock's list of invaded states actually formed an official part of the empire.

    The remainder have been included because the British were found to have achieved some sort of military presence in the territory – however transitory – either through force, the threat of force, negotiation or payment.

    Incursions by British pirates, privateers or armed explorers have also been included, provided they were operating with the approval of their government.

    So, many countries which once formed part of the Spanish empire and seem to have little historical connection with the UK, such as Costa Rica, Ecuador and El Salvador, make the list because of the repeated raids they suffered from state-sanctioned British sailors.

    Among some of the perhaps surprising entries on the list are:

    * Cuba, where in 1741, a force under Admiral Edward Vernon stormed ashore at Guantánamo Bay. He renamed it Cumberland Bay, before being forced to withdraw in the face of hostile locals and an outbreak of disease among his men. Twenty one years later, Havana and a large part of the island fell to the British after a bloody siege, only to be handed back to the Spanish in 1763, along with another unlikely British possession, the Philippines, in exchange for Florida and Minorca.

    *Iceland, invaded in 1940 by the British after the neutral nation refused to enter the war on the Allies side. The invasion force, of 745 marines, met with strong protest from the Iceland government, but no resistance.

    * Vietnam, which has experienced repeated incursions by the British since the seventeenth century. The most recent – from 1945 to 1946 – saw the British fight a campaign for control of the country against communists, in a war that has been overshadowed by later conflicts involving first the French and then Americans.

    It is thought to be the first time such a list has been compiled.

    Mr Laycock, who has previously published books on Roman history, began the unusual quest after being asked by his 11-year-old son, Frederick, how many countries the British had invaded.

    After almost two years of research he said he was shocked by the answer. "I was absolutely staggered when I reached the total. I like to think I have a relatively good general knowledge. But there are places where it hadn't occurred to me that these things had ever happened. It shocked me.

    "Other countries could write similar books – but they would be much shorter. I don't think anyone could match this, although the Americans had a later start and have been working hard on it in the twentieth century."

    The only other nation which has achieved anything approaching the British total, Mr Laycock said, is France – which also holds the unfortunate record for having endured the most British invasions. "I realise people may argue with some of my reasons, but it is intended to prompt debate," he added.

    He believes the actual figure may well be higher and is inviting the public to get in touch to provide evidence of other invasions.

    In the case of Mongolia, for instance – one of the 22 nations "not invaded", according to the book – he believes it possible that there could have been a British invasion, but could find no direct proof.

    The country was caught up in the turmoil following the Russian Revolution, in which the British and other powers intervened. Mr Laycock found evidence of a British military mission in Russia approximately 50 miles from the Mongolian border, but could not establish whether it got any closer.

    The research lists countries based on their current national boundaries and names. Many of the invasions took place when these did not apply.

    The research covered the 192 other UN member states as well as the Vatican City and Kosovo, which are not member states, but are recognised by the UK government as independent states.

    The earliest invasion launched from these islands was an incursion into Gaul – now France – at the end of the second century. Clodius Albinus led an army, thought to include many Britons, across the Channel in an attempt to seize the imperial throne. The force was defeated in 197 at Lyon.

    Mr Laycock added: "One one level, for the British, it is quite amazing and quite humbling, that this is all part of our history, but clearly there are parts of our history that we are less proud of. The book is not intended as any kind of moral judgment on our history or our empire. It is meant as a light-hearted bit of fun."


    The countries never invaded by the British:

    Andorra

    Belarus

    Bolivia

    Burundi

    Central African Republic

    Chad

    Congo, Republic of

    Guatemala

    Ivory Coast

    Kyrgyzstan

    Liechtenstein

    Luxembourg

    Mali

    Marshall Islands

    Monaco

    Mongolia

    Paraguay

    Sao Tome and Principe

    Sweden

    Tajikistan

    Uzbekistan

    Vatican City
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...uxembourg.html

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    Default Re: British have invaded nine out of ten countries

    That's a rather liberal definition of "invasion". Going by that, England has been invaded several times in the last 700 years, including two times by the Netherlands.

    Sounds like an interesting book, even if only for fun facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    That's a rather liberal definition of "invasion". Going by that, England has been invaded several times in the last 700 years, including two times by the Netherlands.

    Sounds like an interesting book, even if only for fun facts.
    Well William III did invade England, so yay for the mighty Dutch :D

    (I'm guessing the list of countries invaded by Belgian is a whole lot shorter.)

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    Yes, that's one of the two I was aiming at
    That one was a real invasion by most standards though. The other one, not a "real" invasion was when De Ruyter sailed up the Medway and burned a substantial part of the English fleet down in their own docks.

    IIRC I read an article a couple of years back that in the late 19th century your king (of Belgium) was seriously considering attacking and annexing the southern parts of the Netherlands, and that he probably could have pulled it off if he went through with it. Our military budgets were comparable, but most of the Dutch expenditures went to the navy which would have been of little use.

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    Depending on how you define invasion, you could even toss in Vatican City (in the form of the Papal States) and Monaco (in the form of the Republic of Genoa). During the Hundred Years War, English routiers were hired to attack both of these states.


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    Default Re: British have invaded nine out of ten countries

    Also it is possible that during the 100 years war, during the last truce circa 1440 something when the English sent troops to fight on the French side that they were fighting in Luxembourg. Would that also count? lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Also it is possible that during the 100 years war, during the last truce circa 1440 something when the English sent troops to fight on the French side that they were fighting in Luxembourg. Would that also count? lol
    Not unless they crossed into the relatively tiny area that is the state of Luxembourg nowadays. Historically the duchy was far larger than it currently is.

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    Default Re: British have invaded nine out of ten countries

    However, British forces occupied parts of Luxembourg for a period during WW2, after having evicted the Germans. While it was technically a liberation, so was D-Day and that is commonly regarded as an invasion. Under those terms, I'd say the British invaded Luxembourg in 1944/45.

    We might be able to knock of the Marshall Islands as well. The US invaded them in 1943/44. I would be very surprised if some British liason officers were not stationed in the US Pacific Fleet and thus participated in the invasion. In any case, ANZAC forces were still under British control then, and almost certainly had some personnel with the US fleet.


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    It's a pity all those other countries had so many foreigners in them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    It's a pity all those other countries had so many foreigners in them
    That's why we didn't stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    Yes, that's one of the two I was aiming at
    That one was a real invasion by most standards though. The other one, not a "real" invasion was when De Ruyter sailed up the Medway and burned a substantial part of the English fleet down in their own docks.

    IIRC I read an article a couple of years back that in the late 19th century your king (of Belgium) was seriously considering attacking and annexing the southern parts of the Netherlands, and that he probably could have pulled it off if he went through with it. Our military budgets were comparable, but most of the Dutch expenditures went to the navy which would have been of little use.
    That would be Leopold II, crazy old bugger. I guess he wanted the provinces back that we had to give away in the peace treaty with the Dutch after the Revolution. Perhaps it would've been better for Congo if he had invaded the Netherlands :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conradus View Post
    That would be Leopold II, crazy old bugger. I guess he wanted the provinces back that we had to give away in the peace treaty with the Dutch after the Revolution. Perhaps it would've been better for Congo if he had invaded the Netherlands :)
    I recall that the idea was to annex most of the catholic parts, which includes lands which had been with the Dutch republic for centuries; i.e. north Brabant and parts of Limburg. The Waal river would have been an obvious natural border in that scenario.

    If that happened the obvious follow up question is what this would have meant to the language controversy if so many Dutch speakers were added to the citizen pool. Which actually sounds like a plausible motivation why he never went through with it.

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    Didn't parts of Limburg and Luxemburg join Belgium in 1830? We gave em back later but the movement to keep those parts existed for quite some time. Even after WWI there were still Belgian voices to punish the Netherlands for not joining in the conflict and taking those provinces 'back'.

    Anyway Leopold had his share of foreign adventures. Congo, Mexico, ... I don't think an allout war would have been very popular with the Belgian people or government. Let alone the French and Germans.

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