President Obama Re-Elected

[Crazed Rabbit]

Obama is in favour of abortion. Romney is against. First red flag.

Romney would not have been able to change anything, and probably has personal views that align with mainstream America (ie vaugely anti-abortion). Style difference.

Romney is way more religious than Obama, and speaks about religion frequently. Second red flag.

And what decisions would Romney's religiosity have affected? What actual impact would it have had? Style.

Romney has no intention of implementing free healthcare. Obama at least has the will to try to move in that direction, even though it's watered down and chances are slim. Third red flag.

Obamacare was in many ways a copy of Romneycare. Romney could not have repealed it, and Obama can not advance free healthcare any further. Style.

None of those would have led to meaningful policy differences.

CR

[Lemur]

Romney, while a totally reasonable moderate republican, was hip-deep in the interests of the reactionaries

I guess my concern with Governor Romney was that he was unable to stand up to the reactionary/extremist elements in his own party in the primary. Why would we imagine he would do differently in the Presidency?

Going back to the point made in the OP, couldn't find the Economist piece, but here's similar data from a separate study. I seriously doubt you will find anything current that is much variant. The world does not need an apology.

[Fisherking]

A good illustration of why Democrat “get out the vote drives” concentrate on immigrants and why proof of citizenship is not required. LOL

Do you have opinion polls on prison populations too?

[naut]

The latest I'm hearing is that there were voting machine issues in key states. The final results don't tally with the exit polls there (exit polls are the gold standard for detecting vote tampering). There's no way a decorated war hero like romney would have lost without some kind of fraud.

Didn't he dodge the draft 5 times?

(I assume you are playing devil's advocate.)

[Ironside]

Style.
None of those would have led to meaningful policy differences.

CR

How many on an international level are aware of American policies in detail? For that matter, how many Amercians does (consider the examples of rejecting friendship because people voted for Obama)?

As long as you don't go into the details, style and presentation is all that matters for how you're percieved.

During most of the last 4 years, the US taxes has been the lowest in 50 years. Has that changed the perception of "socialist" Obama taxing the US heavily? No.

[Beskar]

I was looking at the break down of the vote. It was pretty much -

In Army, Religious, Old, White and Male - Voted Republican
Everyone else - Voted Democrat

Pretty much fits the stereotype, I facepalmed.

Though, I think seriously that if the Republicans just completely dropped talking about Social-Conservative issues, deflecting them or say "I think these should be held at the State level", then I believe they would really win around a lot of votes. I am going to be pretty honest and say, do you really think your stereotypical republican will go "Mitt Romney is not saying he is anti-abortion enough, I am going to vote Democrat". He should simply stop pandering to the extremes since he will get that vote regardless.

There you go, free advice on how to get into power.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Aren't you white and male?

Liberals baffle me sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpt3GSxp25U

[rvg]

He should simply stop pandering to the extremes since he will get that vote regardless.

Except that it won't work. If he doesn't pander to the purists, he won't get the nomination. Look at Dick Lugar: he dared to be his own man, got primaried out, his tea party darling successor decides to run his mouth about rape and God's will == seat goes to the Dems. GOP needs to cleanse itself of the fundamentalist rabble. They're a liability at this point.

[TinCow]

Aren't you white and male?

It was a good strategy when winning a majority of that demographic by itself was enough to win an election. Unfortunately, the white male doesn't seem to have as much strength in his polling these days...

*ahem*





penis.

[HoreTore]

Once you go black you never go back, eh?

[TinCow]

Once you go black you never go back, eh?

It's hard to deny the attractiveness of the black man's polling, particularly among single white women.

[HoreTore]

It's hard to deny the attractiveness of the black man's polling, particularly among single white women.

Thank you, now I'll never be able to avoid laughing when someone mentions how high Obama scored with white females...

[Kadagar_AV]

I don't buy it. I'm a young, white, religious Army veteran and I voted Obama. Nearly everyone in this entire town voted Obama, and this is one lilly white town.

You have internet access AND use it. Of course you vote Obama.

[Strike For The South]

As a white man, I can feel the power slipping threw my fingers

It's time to take my small buisness and massive untaxed earnings elsewhere

[Tellos Athenaios]

I don't buy it. I'm a young, white, religious Army veteran and I voted Obama. Nearly everyone in this entire town voted Obama, and this is one lilly white town.

By your own admission you do not qualify as "Old" so obviously, you voted Obama.

Seriously though: you pretty much have to fit the stereotype to not have been on the receiving end of abuse from the GOP propaganda machine and/or affiliated outlets. Me I am not likely to vote for you if all you have to offer is abuse.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is from an earlier poll, but I bet it's mostly accurate:

[Vuk]

No offense, but who should America give a shit about what the rest of the shit-hole world thinks? All we gotta do is look at them if we need a reason to not take their advice. They don't want the same things as us, and many times want the exact opposite. (though they are happy to suck our nipples dry constantly)
Europe wanted Obama? They can keep him! Of course they wouldn't want him as a leader of their countries, but they want him for the US. No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do! They only better examples you could find are Africa and South America!

As far as whether you want an apology or not, you may not now, but wait till he starts WWIII, and then you will condemn him and America as you condemned Hitler and Germany, even though you were completely in favor of Hitler taking control in Germany. You help us come under the control of a dicator, and then will blame us when the shit hits the fan.

[Strike For The South]

No offense, but who should America give a shit about what the rest of the shit-hole world thinks? All we gotta do is look at them if we need a reason to not take their advice. They don't want the same things as us, and many times want the exact opposite. (though they are happy to suck our nipples dry constantly)
Europe wanted Obama? They can keep him! Of course they wouldn't want him as a leader of their countries, but they want him for the US. No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do! They only better examples you could find are Africa and South America!

As far as whether you want an apology or not, you may not now, but wait till he starts WWIII, and then you will condemn him and America as you condemned Hitler and Germany, even though you were completely in favor of Hitler taking control in Germany. You help us come under the control of a dicator, and then will blame us when the shit hits the fan.

Literally Christmas

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/page/4

[Memnon]

Literally Christmas

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/page/4

That is one of the more hilarious things I've seen in a while. Poor white people...

[Vuk]

Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.

[Montmorency]

What year is this? I thought 2008 had already passed.

[Strike For The South]

Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.

Oh god. The level of detachment is hilarious

[rvg]

Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.

Barring the Mayan prophesy coming to fruition, the doomsday clock is unlikely to move forward. No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.

[Lemur]

No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.

According to @Xiahou, this line of thinking is not only wrong; it is literally incomprehensible.

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And @Vuk, keep going man. Please. Tell us about the end of 'Merica. I need more, more, more!

[Vuk]

Barring the Mayan prophesy coming to fruition, the doomsday clock is unlikely to move forward. No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.

Life must be pleasant in HappyDale.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I think it is good that Obama won by carrying the vast majority of minorities. Having white males carry entire elections just perpetuates inequalities, whether or not the white males themselves are racist because politicians will only cater to their needs.

Way back when, white meant Anglo-Saxon and those Catholic Irish, Polish and Italians were groups in their own right. We saw a large nativist movement in the US in the 1800s but it died as the demographics of southern/eastern europeans grew too large for politicians to simply ignore. In turn, our two party system which likes to thread together separate groups under large umbrellas of common goals, changed the notion of what white was, from Protestant Anglo-Saxons to anyone with light skin. Now that Blacks, Hispanics and Asians are required to win an election, we shall see parties unite separate race blocks together under common ideologies of fiscal or social conservatism/liberalism (the most religious block in the US isn't part of the Republican Party, it's the married African-Americans). As such, the institutionalized racism that minorities today live under, will erode and we will become better for it.

[Lemur]

I am enjoying the overreaction/freakout of the right entirely too much

I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

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Oh dear lord, the idiot gave an on-the-record interview.

[Husar]

No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do!

Says the guy from the country with the archaic, chaotic voting system that is supposedly in need of a huge overhaul which it doesn't get.
And concerning government, yours has been pretty much deadlocked for some years, so much so that you're nearing a financial catastrophe simply because of the deadlock situation. And then, almost as if you didn't believe your own words, you follow up with this gem:

but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces.

Yes, you really must believe that your country and voting system are superior.

[rvg]

Comrade Lemur,

I feel it is my duty as a collectivist to report citizen Vuk for anti-socialist activity. In my opinion citizen Vuk presents a danger to the impending American Socialist Utopia and he must be shown the error of his ways. Our newest Socialist re-education camp in the coal mines of Ironwood, Michigan will be fully operational by the end of November. I believe that five years of 3rd degree reeducation would be appropriate, and upon his release citizen Vuk will make a fine example of a perfectly resocialized resident. Please forward my recommendation to the Midwestern Regional Politburo.

Respectfully,

Comrade RVG

[HopAlongBunny]

I think Lemur's post points directly at the decline in the fortitude of the Conservative cause.

Time was the "Abandon all hope" reaction was to leap heroically from skyscapers, or courageously face down a freight or Amtrack train one on one. Now!? Unfriend ppl, don't go to their parties, become a social isolate; Pah! How far ye have fallen.