Ron Paul's Farewell Speech to Congress: The End of a Cult Figure

[a completely inoffensive name]

Congressman Paul this past election decided not to run for his Congressional spot again and spent all his time on the Presidential election (which he knew he wouldn't win). The guy is 77 years old and it is not surprising that he just doesn't have it in him. If you have time, the speech is a little under 49 minutes wrong. The speech itself is a summation of what Paul has stood for for the past 25+ years and as a farewell to his followers, it does the job well. But will this man live on in history and will the libertarian cult around him hold strong? His son Rand Paul and recent Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is waiting in the wings to take the reign of the libertarian youth, but how much fervor will remain without the original Paul? Anyway, here is the video.

[Major Robert Dump]

Rand Paul is supporting some things that are traditonally against the typical republitard platform and have been notably absent of the libertarian platform because so many of the libertarians come from the repulbitards. So, yes, he has a chance, with the smart ones. With your rank and file Republitards Rand will be demonized because the rank and file Republitards are slaves to corporations and the industrial military complex and in most cases do not even know it.

but I don't really care, because Obama is the anti christ and will put ia chip in my head soon so all is nigh 666 ROXXOR

[HoreTore]

One of the worst nutters goes into retirement.


This is a happy day for the world.

[Fragony]

One of the worst nutters goes into retirement.


This is a happy day for the world.

It's a great loss for you lefties really, ideoligy tends to make a full circle that never connects. Read up on what the libertatarians are about you might like it.

I don't know well a job google translate does with this but here goes anyway http://www.meervrijheid.nl/?pagina=986

[Fisherking]

One of the worst nutters goes into retirement.


This is a happy day for the world.

Another media slave who only knows what they tell him.

[HoreTore]

It's a great loss for you lefties really, ideoligy tends to make a full circle that never connects. Read up on what the libertatarians are about you might like it.

I don't know well a job google translate does with this but here goes anyway http://www.meervrijheid.nl/?pagina=986

Yes frags, I'm ignorant of libertarians. For crying out loud, there's been a zillion threads on it on this board even, so how on earth can you believe I don't know about it?

I do appreciate a comrade-in-arms on social issues, what puts them in my loonie bin is their economic policy.

Another media slave who only knows what they tell him.

The Angry Internet Kid's finest argument.

You'd better copypaste it to the comments section of a few dozen articles. That'll change the world!!!!111

[Fragony]

Not at all Horetore, libertarians just don't believe we need all that much government because we can arange that perfectly fine ourselves. There is too much government and that makes it clumbersome, that doesn't mean a decline of human rights but just doing it more effectively because there is less dead weight aka government doing it. If you look into it you won't find it all that bad, but the government obviously doesn't like it and that is why Fisherking just called you a media-slave.

[CountArach]

Economically, there is no doubt that he is totally libertarian.

But socially... Someone who believes euthanasia should be illegal? Not a libertarian. By definition, not a libertarian.

[HoreTore]

Not at all Horetore, libertarians just don't believe we need all that much government because we can arange that perfectly fine ourselves. There is too much government and that makes it clumbersome, that doesn't mean a decline of human rights but just doing it more effectively because there is less dead weight aka government doing it. If you look into it you won't find it all that bad, but the government obviously doesn't like it and that is why Fisherking just called you a media-slave.

Thank you for a good explanation of why I consider him a loonie. I could barely have done it better myself!

[Fragony]

Thank you for a good explanation of why I consider him a loonie. I could barely have done it better myself!

Stop talking with yourselve so much then

[rvg]

Ron Paul will be missed.

[Fisherking]

The Angry Internet Kid's finest argument.

You'd better copypaste it to the comments section of a few dozen articles. That'll change the world!!!!111

If you had the first idea of anything that was not filtered through extreme views your self, someone my listen to you. But since you are the best proof that there are still trolls in Norway, we will just leave it at that.

I will await your next shallow comment with baited breath.

[gaelic cowboy]

I just had a glance at some of his positions an I gotta say that he his way off the edge with this gold thing.

Gold has no value and neither does money they merely have value because everyone agrees they have value.

[rvg]

I just had a glance at some of his positions an I gotta say that he his way off the edge with this gold thing.

Gold has no value and neither does money they merely have value because everyone agrees they have value.

i.e. gold has value.

[gaelic cowboy]

i.e. gold has value.

as long as we agree.


Fiat currency requires no benchmark and any system that does has been proven to be a disaster, just look at the Euro it clearly has a similar hallmark to the gold standard and it is causing havoc in Europe.


plus there isnt actually enough gold in the world to back currencies so this only helps rich people and hoarders of gold.

[rvg]

as long as we agree.

And we do. While gold imho isn't the best way of gauging value (energy imho is the way to go), it's nonetheless a tried and true way that has worked for millenia.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Economically, there is no doubt that he is totally libertarian.

But socially... Someone who believes euthanasia should be illegal? Not a libertarian. By definition, not a libertarian.

You're confusing Libertarianism with Anarchism.

Euthanasia is state sanctioned homicide, in specific circumstances, it's an example of the state choosing when homicide is OK and when it isn't, instead of just prevent citizens from killing each other - it's not a Libertarian policy.

[drone]

[HoreTore]

i.e. gold has value.

Neither money nor gold has any value.

Labour, on the other hand, does have value. When people like Ron Paul doesn't understand the very basics of economy, it's unavoidable that the policies they propose are a little on the loonier side of things.

[gaelic cowboy]

And we do. While gold imho isn't the best way of gauging value (energy imho is the way to go), it's nonetheless a tried and true way that has worked for millenia.

But sure energy can also have different values depending on the source

[Hooahguy]

recent Libertarian candidate Ron Johnson is waiting in the wings to take the reign of the libertarian youth, but how much fervor will remain without the original Paul?

Its Gary, not Ron. But I see what you did there.

[CountArach]

You're confusing Libertarianism with Anarchism.

Which is the logical extreme of libertarianism.

Euthanasia is state sanctioned homicide, in specific circumstances, it's an example of the state choosing when homicide is OK and when it isn't, instead of just prevent citizens from killing each other - it's not a Libertarian policy.

Libertarians believe we should have our own lives in our hands and as such they cannot refuse euthanasia and still be logically consistent. Terminally ill people have as much choice over when their life ends as the rest of us, and if they are incapable of making that choice (such as in a permanent vegetative state) then their family should be able to make that choice for them. But the important thing to take from this is that at no point should the government try to stop them and a libertarian could not logically argue against that point because someone would have to legislate its illegality. And you really don't understand the purpose of euthanasia if you compare it to homicide.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Neither money nor gold has any value.

Labour, on the other hand, does have value. When people like Ron Paul doesn't understand the very basics of economy, it's unavoidable that the policies they propose are a little on the loonier side of things.

Labour has no value unless you want to do something you can't do yourself.

All things are contingent.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Which is the logical extreme of libertarianism.

No it isn't - Libertarianism is freedom within society, Anarchism is no society.

[rvg]

But sure energy can also have different values depending on the source

Not really. A Joule is a Joule no matter where it comes from.

[Fragony]

Which is the logical extreme of libertarianism.

Libertarians believe we should have our own lives in our hands and as such they cannot refuse euthanasia and still be logically consistent. Terminally ill people have as much choice over when their life ends as the rest of us, and if they are incapable of making that choice (such as in a permanent vegetative state) then their family should be able to make that choice for them. But the important thing to take from this is that at no point should the government try to stop them and a libertarian could not logically argue against that point because someone would have to legislate its illegality. And you really don't understand the purpose of euthanasia if you compare it to homicide.

Indeed. The principles of libertarism when it comes to being the master of your own destiny work pretty well here really. You don't have to agree with it but if you want to avoid dying from cancer the hard way it's possible, you won't have cough up your intestines or bleed from your anus. It isn't pretty to watch it's pretty damn horrible to watch in fact, but it's much much better than just withering and dying. Who is is the government to deny a somewhat nice death.

[Sir Moody]

Not really. A Joule is a Joule no matter where it comes from.

that's the unit of measurement not the value - value would be Joule per <insert Currency here>

[HoreTore]

Labour has no value unless you want to do something you can't do yourself.

All things are contingent.

Money is a storage for that labour, so you can conveniently trade one labour you have to one labour you want.

The reason you want money is because of the labour you can trade it into, not because of some inherent value of money itself.

[gaelic cowboy]

Not really. A Joule is a Joule no matter where it comes from.

So your talking about work then. How do you get around the problem of trying to SET the monetary value of a joule.

[rvg]

So your talking about work then. How do you get around the problem of trying to SET the monetary value of a joule.

You don't. You set the values of OTHER things in Joules.