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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    It's one thing to criminalize something that's currently legal. It's a whole different thing to decriminalize something that is currently illegal.

    Clearly. It does not however make the case for decriminalizing the drug.
    Do you believe it was wrong to repeal Prohibition?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Do you believe it was wrong to repeal Prohibition?
    No, I do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No, I do not.
    Then you are acknowledging that, in some cases, decriminalizing something that is currently illegal can be beneficial to society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Then you are acknowledging that, in some cases, decriminalizing something that is currently illegal can be beneficial to society.
    Yes.
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    Short easy and painless, you guys really need to think things through better before you embark on experimenting and start outweighting things.
    Last edited by Fragony; 11-26-2012 at 16:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    you guys really need to think things through better before you embark on experimenting and outweighting things.
    The only way this sentence makes sense is if I read "outlawing" or "decriminalizing" for "outweighting."

    Bonus points for making me read the sentence three times and still having no idea what you're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    The only way this sentence makes sense is if I read "outlawing" or "decriminalizing" for "outweighting."

    Bonus points for making me read the sentence three times and still having no idea what you're saying.
    Exactly that really, you are reading just fine.

    Edit, I suck. I meant 'start outweighting things'
    Last edited by Fragony; 11-26-2012 at 16:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Yes.
    As a hypothetical - if legalisation guaranteed not to increase consumption, increased tax revenue, saved money on prisons and took out a big chunk of organised crime. Would you be in favour?

    I'm trying to understand if you don't believe that these will happen or if your objections have other origins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    As a hypothetical - if legalisation guaranteed not to increase consumption, increased tax revenue, saved money on prisons and took out a big chunk of organised crime. Would you be in favour?
    I would not. My biggest issue with the legalization is that it largely lifts the social stigma. I want the stigma to remain in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    I would not. My biggest issue with the legalization is that it largely lifts the social stigma. I want the stigma to remain in place.
    Laws already exist for this - the equivalent of drunk and disorderly, creating a public nuisance, unfit for work and so on. The other half is parents, frankly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    I would not. My biggest issue with the legalization is that it largely lifts the social stigma. I want the stigma to remain in place.

    Social stigma is reliant on so much more than the law. Being a drunk is still a source of shame for many an individual and family, despite what is said about addiction being an illness, and the activity being entirely legal. Dont need to look far within UK and US society to see other examples of perfectly legal behaviour which carries a social stigma within particular communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    As a hypothetical - if legalisation guaranteed not to increase consumption, increased tax revenue, saved money on prisons and took out a big chunk of organised crime. Would you be in favour?
    Would you still be in favour of it if it would greatly actually aid chunks of organised crime and make everybody worse off just because of you being kinda egocentric, being egocentric enough to allow that to happen just because you feel you have the right to smoke it. Because that's kinda it in the end. Drugs are currency. You cannot fight it.

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    Please show me an example of a first-world nation where decriminalizing an intoxicant has increased organized crime. Because every example I can think of has the opposite effect.

    Counter-factual posturing is counter-factual.

    "Drugs are currency. You cannot fight it."—another sentence that seems to be saying something, but on close examination turns out to be word salad.
    Last edited by Lemur; 11-26-2012 at 17:14.

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