Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

And can I get clarification on why we're throwing away our investigation results to vote for someone who had a grand total of... 3 posts? He was "doing something"? The heck does that mean? Xeno's been doing nathing, I mean nathing. He voted once, an abstain last round. He's got no experience, no nothing. Please, divulge why we're being idiots about this.

[edse]

And can I get clarification on why we're throwing away our investigation results to vote for someone who had a grand total of... 3 posts? He was "doing something"? The heck does that mean? Xeno's been doing nathing, I mean nathing. He voted once, an abstain last round. He's got no experience, no nothing. Please, divulge why we're being idiots about this.

I have scanned him as Batman. We kill the Batman and win the game.

That scan would be more credible than my utterly corrupted one.

[White_eyes:D]

He's got no experience, no nothing.

BINGO, one scum group has been slacking off.(Or I suspect this at least)

I think that's why they have not been attacking.

Xeno has avoided the lime-light for a while, I am TIRED of it. It's like with Ken, nobody even thinks to vig-kill him, yet he has a few scum-tells and we just look the other way.

If you really want edse dead, vig-kill him and get it over with. I hate wasting a day phase on this, when you knew it was going to be a nearly impossible sell to the water college to begin with.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I get Tincow's point that, basically, I can't prove my own theory unless edse dies and flips townie. There is only one other way.

But I do have bad news for you all.

Unfortunately, I have confirmed from the host himself that even starting headmasters can become corrupted.

Yes, they, like myself, are guaranteed innocent at the game start.

But, neither Khaan nor Ironside are guaranteed innocent right now.

As my own college will have pointed out in our quicktopic:

Ironside was the one who gave the order to scan edse.

I never asked for the scanning item, and I never gave input on who to scan, I asked for it.

As Tincow has died and the others did not become privy to the information until it was too late, I am forced to conclude that if edse is town, Ironside is the one pulling my strings.

He's the College Headmaster, our starting one, he is the one who suggested to scan edse, and as fate would have it, the only other person in the game who knew who I was scanning.

Ergo, I formally accuse Ironside of playing me like a fiddle.

You, good sir, turned down my perfectly generous offer to help the scum win the game, which I plastered all over the college of air quicktopics, the caveat being that you would have to admit your guilt.

As you did not play it straight with me, I am now rescinding that offer. I only work with people who are straightforward and honest with me, as some might remember from the Council of Villains game where I offered to work with the scums but Beskar, a scumbag, did not play it straight and just admit it.

Unfortunately you gambled wrong. I have always in the back of my mind considered the subtlety of this game being that the starting innocents wouldn't always stay that way.

I have repeated the false thinking over and over that masons and starting headmasters couldn't become corrupted, in the hopes that I would appear to many to be an easily tricked pawn.

This is similar to my method of dealing with Sigurd in the Capo III game, where I had assumed early on that he was scum, and double-checked all his investigation results that I could, while convincing him I believed he was town.

As such, I have played the part of the unwitting pawn, and even made the offers in-private to work with the scums provided they work toward a College of Air victory.

I suspect that Ironside is a convert to the corrupted cults, and the reason why I, a confirmed mason by the death of my own partner, am being kept alive.

Because I alone, in the College of Air, have the town masonry credibility to lead the scums to victory. Which is why I am not dead, even with a scanning item, even with being known to be a mason for a long while.

Because I would seem to be the witless puppet of the scums. A part I am only eager to play, except, I prefer to be witted. I prefer to know who I am working with.

There is no one else in the game who could have pulled off this particular deception except for Ironside. All other members of the College of Wind have been either cleared, dead, or were not privy to those conversations.

I am informing the College of Earth and the College of Water that I do not believe this investigation result is genuine, but I do believe it was spoofed by Ironside himself, the sitting and original Headmaster of Wind.


You have my permission to kill both Edse and Ironside, and see which theory is correct.

If you wish to play it safe and kill Edse first, I disagree, but that is your decision.

If you prefer to play with some manhood, I advise you to destroy Ironside immediately, rather than Edse.


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You have 11 hours to decide whether or not you, too, are worthy of the title "Diamond Junk".

Edse, Khaan, Chaotix, White_Eyes, and all the others.... I'm fine with a town win. If you are, this is the course you must pursue.

I expect you all to "play it safe".

Surprise me if you dare.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote Ironside

All good things must come to an end.

[Visor]

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

Nothing except me accusing my own headmaster of orchestrating a very great con that has fooled even the greater khaan. But has not fooled Pizzaguy.

Ironside is the scum, and I have no proof whatsoever. But I am wagering my long pants that this investigation result and the item used to scan is horse poop, and my brain is superior to such trinkets.

Do you want your innocent headmaster dead, or the man who was truly behind his demise and lied to make it all happen?

Personally, I prefer lynching the scum and tossing his little scanning item at his lifeless corpse. Then spitting on it.

What do you say, Visorslash. Up for a little gamble?

[edse]

I'm with you even though it probably destroyes my only chance of survival today.

unvote: vote: Ironside

We've both been framed, he's behind it.

[Ironside]

Well, at least I can post freely now.

ATPG, you accuse me for playing you as a fool because Jarema just confirmed that original headmasters can be corrupted. Edse is assumed innocent because it showed special as as scan and because he was a starting guild member. The one thing that confirms my guilt according to you is also the one thing that condemns edse...

Edit:
Night actions.
N1: guild invites. Got ATPG and Tincow
N2: g inv. Got another one (I prefer not to mention unknown members as of now).
N3: Promotions to students
N4: Promotion of Tincow to wielder
N5: g inv. Got Alsark
N6: Promotion of ATPG
N7: Part of the 3 man vig on Auto
N8: Promotion of the one who got invited on N2.

I've been busy. I wouldn't be a point for me to falsify results, since this round had no indications of bringing pressure on me nor anyone else.
It would certainly not be any point for me to keep it in the upper guild topic. Only reason for that was because a certain someone made a huge bluff in the main guild qt and I had to cover for that.

I'll be making a deal with Geo. You tell your members, I'll tell mine. Removes all remaining unguilded.

About the item. Where do you think the Lens of Elemental Vision Tincow got gifted ended up?

Water, why did you pin me as earth and Tincow as fire btw?

[seireikhaan]

Out of curiosity, can we know what exactly this investigative item is? Or where it came from?

[White_eyes:D]

I believe you Pizzaguy. That does not happen often but I think you're finally being honest about what you think/suspect.

In a crazy way, it does make what I thought was a recruitment write-up make more sense. What if it was a frame write-up?
I was wondering why Khaan would have his scan item stolen and why the Air Headmaster would suddenly have it, then give it to you. Khaan was doing a good job with it, it would only benefit scum to steal it.

Deep in the catacombs of the College, in a hidden room, hooded character was conducting dark ritual. He was laying at the middle of a circle of candles. Then, when he stand up, all candles flared with flames. 'Dark Mistress, give me the power to enlighten non-believers', he prayed. With those words, he kneeled. During next two hours, he was chanting, reciting hymns, and offering sacrifices from his own blood. He was kneeling almost still, but his shadow was dancing around, swirling and whirling. At the end of ritual, hooded man used silver knife to separate shadow from his body. The mass of darkness slipped away from the ring of candles, and dissapeared in even deeper darkness surrounding it.

Either way both edse and Ironside are dead man. I have no intention of letting either live past this night phase to try and recruit tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Possibly? Alibi and all? I don't know, and I don't really want to lynch you. But if you're scum you have to go. And if you come up town, bye bye Pizza.

Looking at suspect number two, a possible collaborator with the Ironside scheme.

Visor is really interested in "maximum damage" here. He wants edse dead, and then me right after it.

He's gleeful in his bloodlust. It sounds to me like a confident scum who knows his plan is working.

Visorslash, you are officially my top suspect of working with Ironside to attempt to frame and cause the mislynch of Edse and myself. Out of everyone else in the thread, your responses strike me as the most similar to what I would be thinking and feeling if I had rolled up my sleeves and hatched this very plot.

Ironside obviously isn't the starting scumbag and he has help. There are infiltrators within the colleges, and it stands to reason that one is in the water college.

Except Edse isn't the source of this corruption. Of the folks trying to cause the wrong death, from the water camp, Visor is clearly the one grinning like a Cheshire Cat.

You're on notice, sir Visorslash. If and when Ironside flips scum, I am going to be requesting your death as the immediate follow-up. And I beg the Water College forgiveness for wrongfully accusing their leader, and not accusing the correct person within their ranks.

Wand of Suspicion- Visorslash

Vote remains on Ironside. Now let's find your remaining accomplices.

But seriously, did you ever scan a headmaster before this? I personally believe that they flip "Special" in there corruption score.

Regardless, I VERY suspicious of the Air Colleges motive's by how ATPG is acting. (It's like he knows that the result is going to be an innocent townie and is trying to redirect blame)

White_Eyes, here's an interesting enough character.

I'm not sold yet. I get the feeling that he wants a similar level of destruction, particularly a partisan kind of destruction, but at the same time, it feels very much the same as his usual zeal for the wrong lynches.

I could go either way here. He hasn't given me a major "tell" like Visor has, so I can't read him with much confidence at the moment.

Really it depends on which way he ultimately votes. Will he spare his own headmaster and make good his threats against the Air College, specifically against the only person in the game besides myself who could have engineered a plot against edse?

Where goes his vote next, interests me.

The question is, can he let go of his unresolved sexual tension for me and work with me, or must he always assume that I am the rotten core of every apple of evil.

White_Eyes, if I can count on one person to let go of the rational and embrace the insanity it is you.

Join me, and together we can rule the Gameroom, as conquerors of scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, at least I can post freely now.

ATPG, you accuse me for playing you as a fool because Jarema just confirmed that original headmasters can be corrupted. Edse is assumed innocent because it showed special as as scan and because he was a starting guild member. The one thing that confirms my guilt according to you is also the one thing that condemns edse...

No, it is not Jarema confirming that headmasters can become corrupted.

I knew edse was innocent by simply listening to him.

I have how many years of experience reading people? I'm not perfect, not claiming to be. But edse's defense is not the defense of a caught scumbag. It is the protestations of a townie with no defense to a really bad accusation from which there is no counter-argument.

Ironside you're the only one in the game who could have done this to me and edse. And if you were townie, I think your brain would be doing backflips at the utter betrayal I just pulled on you.

I fully expect to become the most hated townie of this game if I'm wrong, and if you're innocent, you're the first person to know I'm wrong. Why the poker face?

Why the immediate changing of the subject?

One does not casually dismiss and pretend what just happened didn't just happen. There's a serious error here. If I am wrong, you should be telling me off and telling everyone else how wrong I am, and how I've ruined the college of Air's chances of winning with my bone-headedness.

Instead, you respond like that british fellow who was accused of cheating on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Basically "oh thanks for informing me you've called the police and accused me of cheating. Have a lovely day."

I get a practiced poker face instead of genuine reaction.

So what are you hiding, except for what I've accused you of? Or do you typically no-react when people accuse you of the most outrageous and unlikely things ever to have happened in any mafia game any of us have ever played?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Out of curiosity, can we know what exactly this investigative item is? Or where it came from?

I have a request for mister Khaan, helpful finder of ye olde scumbags.

I would greatly appreciate some assistance from your College in taking out Ironside. I shouldn't have to tell you that we probably won't lynch him today, particularly without your votes, and that he will undoubtedly expect the attack is coming.

I also don't want to put my own college members of the pain of being asked to attack our HM based on reads and no proof. But I figure since you're Geodudes, you might be more persuaded to attack the college that has been taking potshots at your members. As they were largely coordinated by Ironside and co, now is your chance for a little justice that serves two purposes, revenge and just plain good for town behavior.

As for Edse, I expect I will have not convinced everyone or anyone of his innocence so whoever wishes to can fire at will.

But I'd request a little assistance taking out the Water College's infiltrator, funnily enough, by members of that college. They clearly have one, and IMNSHO it is not Edse for he is the sacrificial lamb targeted by the spoof.

You all personally know that you are not guilty, and if I'm right, you can probably cross off Edse as scummo.

Doesn't Visorslash's change in tone and opinion over the course of the game strike you as the most likely infiltrator of your college?

If you agree, I'd request permissions to attack that man. You need not do the deed yourself unless you want to.

If there is someone else you suspect more, tell me now, we do not have much time to plan our response to the scums.

Prediction is we mislynch someone today and night is supposed to be short, so just like in big team games we need to get ready to do something big tonight and that requires planning ahead.

Assume the lynch is Edse or Xenoneb, and the lynch is bad. Can we agree on tonight's targets and/or a place to start tomorrow?

And don't ask me to scan anything. I have to give this scanning item away today to someone willing to take it, so that there is a chance the scums cannot spoof the investigations anymore. Not that this is my top concern, because as I said before, detectives blow. And I'm not talking about gusts of wind, here.

Do me a favor:

Could a whole bunch of you just send Jarema orders now to "accept" the Lens from Askthepizzaguy? That way, I don't have to reveal in-thread who I am sending it to, and if I give it to a townie, they might actually be able to do something productive with it tonight. I clearly cannot be trusted to provide reliable results because the scums know that I have the item. It's utterly useless in my hands.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And in sending such orders also post in thread that you're a willing and able recipient of the item?

I don't want to give the item to someone who won't accept it, but I do need to keep the scums guessing and I cannot hand it off anonymously any other way besides this.

Also sorry about the lack of time remaining in the round. Took me a while to work this out. You don't mind time pressure, do you, fellow townies?

I think not.

[Ferret]

No, no, no, NO, NO!

This is utterly ridiculous. Jarema said that the starting heads can become corrupted, NOT that they can become mafia. Those are two VERY different things. I'm not saying it's definitely impossible but I still it think that's the way the game works and it is by no means stated by the host as being possible. However it says nothing in the rules about the starting wielders even starting as innocent so edse can stop using that as an excuse right now.

I think he has no defence, because he has no defence. Just because he is mafia doesn't mean he's going to be brilliant at creating an alibi, maybe he made the first two posts before realising what was happening? By that point it was already to late to dig himself out of the hole. Hell, he could even be double bluffing, it's easy enough to act like a townie. Your argument against Ironside relies on what? Edse having no defence, which proves nothing, and an item existing that can alter the outcome of an investigation, which I find unlikely at best. I really can't imagine Jarema creating an item that can only have an effect when the user knows who holds another specific item and who they are going to use it on. Ironside has been a solid college head for the whole game, nothing he has done or said has been remotely suspicious. All that he has going against him is this convoluted and extremely unlikely idea of yours.

ATPG has been setting my scum detector off since almost the very start of the game. The one thing that even slightly alleivated my suspicions was that El Barto turned out to be innocent. But all that means is that ATPG was probably innocent on day 1. As he has said himself, he is a ripe target for mafia recruitment. I can't understand how he keeps using his mason roots as a defence. As far as I'm concerned this proves absolutely nothing.

There are three possible guilty parties as a result of this investigation, not two, and they are in the order:

edse>ATPG>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ironside

What kind of twisted logic could possibly make you want to start with the least likely? Don't blindly follow ATPG townies, think for yourselves.




Edit: And with regards to the scanning item I believe it is the Lens of Elemental Vision, which 'Khaan gave to TinCow and then TinCow passed on to ATPG just before he died. Ironside has never had it White Eyes, nor was it ever stolen.

[White_eyes:D]

Water, why did you pin me as earth and Tincow as fire btw?

That was edse's guesses, I knew you were in the Air college but not it's headmaster. TinCow was a mistake pure and simple, I was the one who suddenly suggested it.(I had the impression that they were not going to join in like with Ken, but they surprised me.)

@Pizzaguy: We always have tension for whatever reason, going to need to work that out sometime.

Your also right, there must be a scumbag in the College of Water. El Barto and Lazy being killed by fire were no random lucky guesses. Somebody in the College was trying to kill off the new Headmaster. Thing is that Visorslash was busy on most of the night's where this stuff occurred.

I was just looking over our QT and realized that I made a bone-headed error. I accused El Barto of being the one to admit being approached by the Air headmaster but that Visorslash also admitted to it as well, take that for what you will but I think you can't be in two college's.

[White_eyes:D]

However it says nothing in the rules about the starting wielders even starting as innocent so edse can stop using that as an excuse right now.

I poked the host and he should clarify that in case you missed the QT update somewhere.

[NinjaCow64]

I'd say go with Pizza. The best course of action would be to lynch edse, nightkill Ironside and if edse comes out guilty or Ironside comes out innocent (which I doubt) then we kill ATPG. Because there are two dangerous types of Pizza, Wrong Pizza and Scumbag Pizza. I shouldn't have to explain why Scumbag Pizza is dangerous (Scumbags are really unpleasant to have down your throat), but Wrong Pizza is just as bad. Wrong Pizza is a Townie Pizza who gets it wrong, yet everyone listens to him. The Mafia enjoy this kind of Pizza, I was laughing my dead Mafioso head off in ATOC on the CFC forums when Pizza was just getting it wrong and the town was following him.

tl;dr: If ATPG's theory is wrong, then lynch him. It's the only way to be sure.

[NinjaCow64]

FROM TEH RULEZ:

4. Heads of colleges are guaranteed innocents – at least at the begining(sic) of the game.

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

[Ferret]

I would much rather test out ATPG's theory after he's dead. That way if he is lying and turns out to be mafia we won't lose two innocent college heads...

Edit: No but it implies it. That wording can be interpreted in two ways:

1. People that become college heads after the start of the game can be mafia.
2. Starting college heads can become mafia but aren't at the beginning.

I took it to mean the first one but obviously only Jarema knows what he really meant.

[Visor]

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

I'll assume that is sarcasm. For our viewers at home however, edse can't be mafia, only cult.

[Visor]

That was edse's guesses, I knew you were in the Air college but not it's headmaster. TinCow was a mistake pure and simple, I was the one who suddenly suggested it.(I had the impression that they were not going to join in like with Ken, but they surprised me.)

@Pizzaguy: We always have tension for whatever reason, going to need to work that out sometime.

Your also right, there must be a scumbag in the College of Water. El Barto and Lazy being killed by fire were no random lucky guesses. Somebody in the College was trying to kill off the new Headmaster. Thing is that Visorslash was busy on most of the night's where this stuff occurred.

I was just looking over our QT and realized that I made a bone-headed error. I accused El Barto of being the one to admit being approached by the Air headmaster but that Visorslash also admitted to it as well, take that for what you will but I think you can't be in two college's.

I can't be in two colleges, but I was approached by two people. I accepted the Water invite, considering I had superior skill in water.

[White_eyes:D]

Another issue is that we gain corruption from lynching/killing the wrong people. I think the Mafia's objective is to get our corruption high enough...(Since in the OP, it mentions the Mafia has "Unknown" victory conditions, rather then just "kill everyone")

If we lynch edse and he is innocent, everyone who voted him gain's corruption from it. I don't think it's a good thing to gather too much of it.(Why my vote is staying off him or Ironside, I am settling this like a real mage would.)

[Ironside]

One does not casually dismiss and pretend what just happened didn't just happen. There's a serious error here. If I am wrong, you should be telling me off and telling everyone else how wrong I am, and how I've ruined the college of Air's chances of winning with my bone-headedness.

Instead, you respond like that british fellow who was accused of cheating on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Basically "oh thanks for informing me you've called the police and accused me of cheating. Have a lovely day."

I get a practiced poker face instead of genuine reaction.

So what are you hiding, except for what I've accused you of? Or do you typically no-react when people accuse you of the most outrageous and unlikely things ever to have happened in any mafia game any of us have ever played?

Well. I'll be blunt. Yes I am. If someone accuses me of being a 4-headed alien, I'm not going to react strongly to it. Your accusation is something in between, since it's simply bizarre, but not impossible (even if it involves brilliant idiocy on a level I wouldn't pull), so I'm not sure exactly how to treat it. Yes it's going to be harder for air, but the only one revealed is me and I've been itching to be able to post freely instead of doing hide and seek with 'khaan. No great loss, in particular since we do have a truce. It's more one member has gone crazy, rather than "you ruined everything!"

And edse, here's a million dollar question. What's your earth AV and DV?

ATPG did give a number on those. And today, in particular since in involves thread control (very active ATPG is suspect ATPG) together with the qt insistance that he's recruiting immune due to his mason status (after he had a dead partner), does make me wonder if he haven't been converted.

I'll be promoting Alsark then due to this mess instead of scanning. Keeps me in confirmable lockdown. And I'll order ATPG to do something similar.

[Ferret]

Another issue is that we gain corruption from lynching/killing the wrong people. I think the Mafia's objective is to get our corruption high enough...(Since in the OP, it mentions the Mafia has "Unknown" victory conditions, rather then just "kill everyone")

If we lynch edse and he is innocent, everyone who voted him gain's corruption from it. I don't think it's a good thing to gather too much of it.(Why my vote is staying off him or Ironside, I am settling this like a real mage would.)

This might not be the case. I only have 1 corruption despite having votes on the lynches of NinjaCow and Ignoramus, who were both innocent. It's still unclear exactly how corruption is gained when it comes to lynching. Besides if we all behaved like that then the mafia would be able to lynch whoever they liked. Having between 1 and 3 corruption shouldn't be a problem anyway.

[edse]

Earth av/dv is 1/2 as it were from the beginning.

the others are fire 0/1, air 1/2 and water 4/2

My 1 corruption point is from lynching ninjacow.

[edse]

I would much rather test out ATPG's theory after he's dead. That way if he is lying and turns out to be mafia we won't lose two innocent college heads...

Edit: No but it implies it. That wording can be interpreted in two ways:

1. People that become college heads after the start of the game can be mafia.
2. Starting college heads can become mafia but aren't at the beginning.

I took it to mean the first one but obviously only Jarema knows what he really meant.

In the quicktopic dedicated to the headmaster and wielders of a college Jarema says that both the starting members of the college is innovent. I can only be a cult recruit.

[TinCow]

As a confirmed innocent Air student, I would like to note that I trust Ironside over ATPG. I believe edse should be lynched and, if he flips innocent, we can thing pick between ATPG and Ironside. However, between the two I'd prefer an ATPG lynch. ATPG's actions have increasingly skewed towards his typical anti-town chaos; if someone was recruited I think it's more likely it was ATPG than Ironside. This is exactly the kind of situation that ATPG would engineer to cause chaos in an otherwise relatively peaceful and united town. Still, lynch edse first.

[White_eyes:D]

Still, lynch edse first.

Night-kill him or you get nothing.