It's also not true, at all - one good King is infinitely more valuable than one good rifle, and the Americans are always telling us we should be a Republic like them because it is teh awesome.Originally Posted by Greyblades
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It's also not true, at all - one good King is infinitely more valuable than one good rifle, and the Americans are always telling us we should be a Republic like them because it is teh awesome.
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I know I have suggested this here before, but since it is clear that you people can´t come to an understanding about what some strangely worded phrase from 2 centuries ago means, may I suggest that you...I don´t know.....write a new one?
sit down and write in plain English what you mean....(use pencil)
this would save a lot of time in future discussions, it is surely worth the investment.
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I know, a good king can be better than a good gun, even better than a good president because he has spent his entire life being trained to rule, he has his entire life to do good on his country and isn't distracted with popularity contests every 4 years, a good president has 8 years maximum to get what he wants done, spent his life learning to appeal to people instead of doing the job he's supposed to do, has to spend time working on his PR and all his efforts can be undone by enough votes by the opposition. Unfortunately for every good king there's a bad king, and a bad president can be offset and kicked out of office a lot easier. Personally I kinda wish constitutional monarchy allowed the monarch to advise parliament more, would be good to have a long term perspective to compliment the elected official's short term perspectives.
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Valuable and useless. Rifles are useful. Constitutional monarchs aren't.
Can you point out a backroom conversation where we were urging you to abolish monarchy?and the Americans are always telling us we should be a Republic like them because it is teh awesome.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
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One good king can create an empire that stretched from Greece to India in under 30 years, What can one good gun do that can compare?
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Can one good king teach Greyblades some reading comprehension?
What can a British monarch currently do? Nothing.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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Beyond triggering a minor civil war? Seriously the queen is so popular among those who identify themselves as royalists that if she told them parliament was corrupt and needed to be overthrown a number of the less than smart ones would probably try. And that's even ignoring the amount of damage she could cause to British relations if she purposely messed up a royal visit. Besides, you didn't say the British monarch you said one good king vs one good gun, and I have yet to hear of a country that exists only due to one good gun.
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And this is useful how exactly?
What other king would I be discussing when talking to brits about the usefulness their monarchy? King of Swaziland?Besides, you didn't say the British monarch you said one good king vs one good gun, and I have yet to hear of a country that exists only due to one good gun.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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How useful something is depends on your point of view, assume the hypothetical situation of a tyrannical government, what's more useful to a rebel? A figurehead who inspires a number of people into resisting, or one good gun? And the inverse, what is more useful to a tyrannical president, a popular figure head who can persuade people to keep calm and carry on, or one good gun? Even to the average person on the street trying to get on with his life, what is more useful to them, a person who matters like a king who at least appears to sympathize with the problems of people like him, or a good gun?
The very concept of a king, which is what I and PVC have been talking about. A good king with absolute power like Alexander the Great can create an empire that is still admired over 2000 years ago. Even without power, a good king with a constitution like George VI can inspire a nation into struggling far past the ordinary breaking point just by showing solidarity by not fleeing in the face of danger.What other king would I be discussing when talking to brits about the usefulness their monarchy? King of Swaziland?
I ask again what can a good gun do that can compare?
Last edited by Greyblades; 12-19-2012 at 17:09.
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Do you know what the Queen and PM discuss at their weekly meetings? I don't.
Do you think no politician ever listens? I think it highly unlikely.
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Exactly.
Listen? They might or they might not. Politicians are not required to follow the wishes of the monarch. Their mind might just as well be swayed on an issue by a photo of a crying baby or a particularly sappy movie. Or the sound of a rifle discharge.Do you think no politician ever listens? I think it highly unlikely.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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