Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Ah, yes. I'm getting it a bit better. Interesting sort of situation... unless, of course, it's a case of the lenses just being flat out useless or tampered with.

[El Barto]

Hmm...

Vote: ATPG

I can go with what chaotix posted. How did you obtain this result, chaotix?

Probably should have made that clearer in the post.

Askthepizzaguy gave me the Lens of Elemental Vision the night before last. I used it last night to scan ATPG.

Ah, yes. I'm getting it a bit better. Interesting sort of situation... unless, of course, it's a case of the lenses just being flat out useless or tampered with.

Chaotix did post that he was gonna scan an unnamed person well in advance.

[Chaotix]

Either way, it implicates ATPG and/or Ironside.

Exactly who we were looking at two days ago for guilt, but have done nothing about... despite their supposed plan to get themselves both killed and cleared.

If you think it's the item itself that has been messed with... we should go back through the history of who has had it. And we should find out when it started giving wonky results, if ever.

Personally I think ATPG scanned edse to get the AV and DV values and then made up the corruption value himself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do it.

I'm laughing my fanny off. Someone clearly earned this win, and despite my best efforts, it wasn't me.

Do try to hide your shock when I flip innocent.

I have no defense. None. Noooooonnnnnnne.



Come and get it, boyos. It's fresh, it's townie, and it's tired of fighting you.

[Chaotix]

Do it.

I'm laughing my fanny off. Someone clearly earned this win, and despite my best efforts, it wasn't me.

Do try to hide your shock when I flip innocent.

I have no defense. None. Noooooonnnnnnne.



Come and get it, boyos. It's fresh, it's townie, and it's tired of fighting you.

You or Ironside.

If it's not you, it's him. You're the only two capable of having pulled out that ridiculous result on edse, barring perhaps Alsark.

But you stopped going after Ironside, even after Elite Ferret turned up innocent.

Why? Ironside or Alsark being scum is the only way you can clear your name and wash your hands of that bogus scan result. Why aren't you calling for their deaths?

You just don't care. You have already served your purpose - buying your scum friends enough time to do what they have to do. Perhaps Ironside is even one of them!

You may have already won this game for your scum faction, but damned if I'm not going to see you die for your crimes first.

[Visor]

Vote: Chaotix

I don't buy it. Sorry.

White eyes, back me up here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you seriously post in your quicktopic that you were scanning someone, Chatoix man?

The whole point of handing it over to you and then denying I did so was for there to be some chance, some small chance, you'd get a real scan off.

You bungled it if you made any mention of scanning. What's the point? I should have kept it if you weren't going to keep silent about possessing it.

I have not misspelled Chatoix. That's your name now. I can think of nothing more appropriate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Chaotix

I don't buy it. Sorry.

White eyes, back me up here.

Oh, Chaotix is probably innocent. A doe-eyed innocent, in fact.

Chaotix, seriously, did you tell people you were scanning? Good lord.

What the flip man. What the flip.

Give me one good reason why. That makes no frickin sense at all.

[El Barto]

Do it.

I'm laughing my fanny off. Someone clearly earned this win, and despite my best efforts, it wasn't me.

Do try to hide your shock when I flip innocent.

I have no defense. None. Noooooonnnnnnne.



Come and get it, boyos. It's fresh, it's townie, and it's tired of fighting you.

I thought you were a dude.

Vote: Chaotix

I don't buy it. Sorry.

White eyes, back me up here.

Get into the college QT right now.

[Visor]

Only WE myself and robbie (if he even knows) knew about it.

[Chaotix]

Did you seriously post in your quicktopic that you were scanning someone, Chatoix man?

The whole point of handing it over to you and then denying I did so was for there to be some chance, some small chance, you'd get a real scan off.

You bungled it if you made any mention of scanning. What's the point? I should have kept it if you weren't going to keep silent about possessing it.

I have not misspelled Chatoix. That's your name now. I can think of nothing more appropriate.

Right now, I am of the opinion that there's no way to falsify the scan in the first place.

You just deliberately gave us a bogus result.

I had to post that I had the Lens because I needed an alibi so I wouldn't look like a scumbag if I wasn't going to participate in any attacks white_eyes wanted to set up. Which he was planning on doing when I mentioned the Lens.

I probably would have gone for the attack rather than the scan had white_eyes wanted to go through with it. Now I am glad I didn't.

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh good, only a few other people knew about it.

That's ironclad.

You want to know why I stopped trying, Chatoix? I gave up. I can't even hand the fricking lenses off because you're the only one who asked for them. Nobody is volunteering to do vigs. I spotted the scan result being wrong by letting go of all the baloney. Just from talking it out with edse.

But the fact is, pretty much nobody else would do that, could do that, or will try to do that. I put that sort of thinking into how I play. Instead what we have is people believing these worthless scans long after they've been proven to be worthless.

You, Chaotix, seriously believe that I would give you the item, as scum. You, not one of my teammates. In the hopes that you'd do what?

Scan me or Ironside? And then I would go ahead and not kill Ironside?

Why's that man?

What's my plan?

What's my angle?

I'll tell you my angle. I put forward the effort, and I felt quite alone in doing so. And I stopped trying.

Let that be the epitaph for this town. I won't try if you don't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's a pretty shameful admission I just made.

Worse than admitting to being scum.

Let it sink in.

[TinCow]

IMO, the Lenses are the cause of all this. It's the simplest explanation and resolves all the issues with pretty much everyone. It also explains why we're not seeing massive numbers of scum attacks, which would be expected if this were the result of a multiperson scum conspiracy.

[Chaotix]

IMO, the Lenses are the cause of all this. It's the simplest explanation and resolves all the issues with pretty much everyone. It also explains why we're not seeing massive numbers of scum attacks, which would be expected if this were the result of a multiperson scum conspiracy.

If that's the case, wouldn't we have had this problem sooner?

Like, much sooner?

How many times did you use the Lens and get a reliable result, TinCow? What could make them go bad if they were working before you gave them away, but not after?

Well, who had the Lens after you? Who could have tampered with it? It all comes back to Ironside and ATPG. One or both.

[TinCow]

I never used them.

[White_eyes:D]

Wow, gone for 30 minutes and this all goes down....I had a post all ready for EF but I need to read though all this and get a *gasp* bigger post ready.

[Chaotix]

That's a pretty shameful admission I just made.

Worse than admitting to being scum.

Let it sink in.

I don't believe you.

You wouldn't be stalking this thread if you stopped caring.

Even if you had stopped caring, you wouldn't suddenly be done with accusing Ironside after the way you called him out two days ago, and after your other possible candidate EF turned up innocent.

You still think there's some way you can weasel yourself out of this lynch and waste another day for the town while your scum team sniggers behind the scene, and that's why you're here.

You haven't stopped caring about this game.

[Chaotix]

I never used them.

So this Lens has just been passed unused until it got to ATPG?

That's how this worked?

So the only times this Lens has been used it has given us a result of "Utterly corrupted"?

That could throw a serious wrench into my well-thought out argument here...

I really don't want to have to apologize to ATPG after all that huge accusation. Give me something to work with here, TinCow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You still think there's some way you can weasel yourself out of this lynch and waste another day for the town while your scum team sniggers behind the scene, and that's why you're here.

No, I don't. I'd be a lot happier if this were the case.

Have you known me to claim to have stopped trying in a game, ever, as scum?

It's something I just don't do. Even when I'm caught dead to rights with a scan. Hitman's gambit, etc.

I don't give up if I'm a scumbag. But if town can't even do one of the two basic things they need to do in order to win, because they don't care enough, then why should I try?

If I were scum right now I'd be having the time of my life.

Killed the water headmaster, lynched one of my own comrades who was innocent. The utter apathy of the town. Messing with everyone. I'd be ecstatic.

I'm not this good at hiding my true feelings.

Try to do what I did with edse. Search my feelings. Search my reactions. Look at my posts. Do you really see a scumbag here?

Or a really sad and disappointed pizzaguy?

Use the Force, Bane Anded. The dark side clouds everything. I challenge you to see past all this. Be the pizza.

INSPIRE ME TO KEEP TRYING.

[Riedquat]

IMO, the Lenses are the cause of all this. It's the simplest explanation and resolves all the issues with pretty much everyone.

Scum Riedquat has been pointing to that for a couple days now, and nobody is paying him any attention, the lenses are broken or not used correctly. Wasn't khaan the first and last using them with damned accurate results with me and my partners? They were stolen or passed away, look at who ever had them in this lapse, that is your man!

[Chaotix]

No, I don't. I'd be a lot happier if this were the case.

Have you known me to claim to have stopped trying in a game, ever, as scum?

It's something I just don't do. Even when I'm caught dead to rights with a scan. Hitman's gambit, etc.

I don't give up if I'm a scumbag. But if town can't even do one of the two basic things they need to do in order to win, because they don't care enough, then why should I try?

If I were scum right now I'd be having the time of my life.

Killed the water headmaster, lynched one of my own comrades who was innocent. The utter apathy of the town. Messing with everyone. I'd be ecstatic.

I'm not this good at hiding my true feelings.

Try to do what I did with edse. Search my feelings. Search my reactions. Look at my posts. Do you really see a scumbag here?

Or a really sad and disappointed pizzaguy?

Use the Force, Bane Anded. The dark side clouds everything. I challenge you to see past all this. Be the pizza.

INSPIRE ME TO KEEP TRYING.

Nope.

Every time I do that you just wind up messing with me and I wind up believing you.

I am not going to get anywhere by trying to read into your posts at depth, because it all boils down to WIFOM.

Everything I could use to clear you as a townie is also something I could use to condemn you as a scumbag, because you are just capable of doing anything.


That said, I am not hearing encouraging words about the Lens from TinCow here. Starting to look more and more likely that the Lens is just a troll item that Jarema tossed in with the bunch.

But I don't know where else to look here.

EDIT: Riedquat, I don't think khaan ever used the Lens. He passed it off to TC as soon as he got it. I think he was doing Headmaster scans to catch you guys. Which incidentally leaves us with an easy way of clearing this mess up, actually.

[Riedquat]

Riedquat, I don't think khaan ever used the Lens. He passed it off to TC as soon as he got it. I think he was doing Headmaster scans to catch you guys. Which incidentally leaves us with an easy way of clearing this mess up, actually.

The first time jarema mentioned this item, he described them as a tool to catch defilers or something like that and I'm sure khaan mentioned at least once, maybe with Arjos, the target was a defiler... so I don't know, your master scans reveal faction?

[seireikhaan]

Riedquat, I never used the lenses, once. I dumped them off to TC on the first night I got them, because I can do my own scans. Except the last couple nights because our collegiate communication has been something awful.

[White_eyes:D]

This post was before the whole Pizzaguy thing but if you want to read it go ahead.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

So you weren't sure which one was more scummy, but when I suggested it was ATPG rather than Ironside you were happy to kill me for it? What...even?

We wanted to kill you LONG before the whole edse thing....you were one of the two targets that I mentioned were not very good way back. In fact, I even called off a group attack that was organized on you at the last second.(The night before TinCow)

You were a suspect for too long and needed to go....simple as that.

I am still very disappointed that Xeno still lives...slack off for one night to do something else and this is what happens huh?

I am not sure about the john lynch....

Now I know Chaotix was planning on scanning someone...he told me as much but I guess Pizzaguy and Chaotix pulled a switch-a-roo there to throw everyone off that Chaotix really had it?(I told Chaotix I would need two results...One innocent and one not to trust it after edse)

Anyway, I guess I should reveal that I am the new Water headmaster and was using that College item I received. It was pointless though, since I was not attacked but it supposedly block's everything but Water attack's.(Or maybe not, I haven't tested it yet and it's not like "Mr. Fire-from-the-abyss" is so forthcoming about attacking me)

To prevent theft, I am going to hand it off to Visorslash/Chaotix though. These items are too dangerous in the wrong hands.

One major thing bugs me though Pizzaguy....what have you been spending all your XP on?

Mine is clear as day with me attacking EF and hurting him. You could have spent XP on your Fire attack/Corruption because I think you might have more XP then me.

I think Pizzaguy is going to need to be lynched, but I am conflicted about following the results from those lenses.

Let's hear it Pizzaguy....what is your corruption score?

[TinCow]

So this Lens has just been passed unused until it got to ATPG?

That's how this worked?

So the only times this Lens has been used it has given us a result of "Utterly corrupted"?

That could throw a serious wrench into my well-thought out argument here...

I really don't want to have to apologize to ATPG after all that huge accusation. Give me something to work with here, TinCow.

AFAIK, yes. I can't confirm, but I didn't think 'khaan had used it before he passed it to me. I had it for one night, but was busy doing other things and passed it on to ATPG immediately after. Unless 'khaan used it before passing it to me, ATPG and you are the only people to have used it, and both results were 'Utterly Corrupted.'

[edit] NM, there's 'khaan's statement on the matter. You and ATPG were the only people to have ever used them.

[Chaotix]

So the Lens went to khaan, who passed it to TinCow without using it, who passed it to - who exactly?

Did it go to Ironside first or directly to ATPG? EDIT: Saw your post TC.

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The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

Or we could just lynch ATPG and find out. But I am uneasy about that now actually. The stupid, stupid truth is that we might have been looking through a cracked lens the whole time.

[TinCow]

So the Lens went to khaan, who passed it to TinCow without using it, who passed it to - who exactly?

Did it go to Ironside first or directly to ATPG?

The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

Or we could just lynch ATPG and find out. But I am uneasy about that now actually. The stupid, stupid truth is that we might have been looking through a cracked lens the whole time.

I gave it directly to ATPG. I offered to give it to Ironside but he didn't want it for the same reason 'khaan didn't use them; he had his own scan. I was actually supposed to give the item to ATPG during a day phase, but ATPG didn't submit proper orders accepting the item so it didn't get transferred until the following night phase. This can be confirmed by anyone with access to the Air QTs, as it's all documented there.

[Chaotix]

Well. I think we should do this:

The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

But I do not think johnhughthom is a good lynch, so I am keeping my vote on ATPG until he is no longer in second place.

Xenoneb seems like a good alternative choice for today. That's what I would suggest.