Choose Your Own Adventure Mafia [Concluded]

[TinCow]

That's an interesting reaction.

My gut tells me to mark off Elite Ferret as a suspected two-man team member because you'd think they'd be coordinating off thread and would have known that I'd be calling for Ferret's head right now since he did that.

Doesn't clear him but makes it harder to say he's on a two man team.

Not if his partner is dcmort.

IMO, the previous write-up clearly states there are two scum left on the red team.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not if his partner is dcmort.

I had the opposite reaction. I figure if he's got an inactive partner he's at least going to be following the thread very carefully to avoid making mistakes since he's the only one really able to make his team win.

You think it's a very likely scenario he's just gotten extremely lucky, picking who to die correctly without thinking things through?

IMO, the previous write-up clearly states there are two scum left on the red team.

I'm forced to conclude that as well, and as such it feels like this round is a waste of time unless dcmort is scum.

The no-think response is to ask everyone to vote to lynch dcmort today. The no-think part is because it seems like town loses in all scenarios unless dcmort is scum. If he flips townie, how do we feel about that?

There is a tiny, tiny chance town wins if dcmort is town if he becomes active, but that's too little to hope for or play for. Still the mafia might be trying to avoid just plain outing themselves just in case dcmort wakes up.

Do we play against a lurker win, or play lynch the top suspect?

[TinCow]

I had the opposite reaction. I figure if he's got an inactive partner he's at least going to be following the thread very carefully to avoid making mistakes since he's the only one really able to make his team win.

You think it's a very likely scenario he's just gotten extremely lucky, picking who to die correctly without thinking things through?

I think you're assuming a level of scum coordination that may not exist. The level of conversation you're talking about is the type of thing people like you and I would be doing in this scenario, but many other people don't communicate as obsessively as we do when we're scum. You could be right, but I wouldn't vote for someone simply because they didn't react in a coordinated manner to some rapid-fire posts today.

I'm forced to conclude that as well, and as such it feels like this round is a waste of time unless dcmort is scum.

The no-think response is to ask everyone to vote to lynch dcmort today. The no-think part is because it seems like town loses in all scenarios unless dcmort is scum. If he flips townie, how do we feel about that?

There is a tiny, tiny chance town wins if dcmort is town if he becomes active, but that's too little to hope for or play for. Still the mafia might be trying to avoid just plain outing themselves just in case dcmort wakes up.

Do we play against a lurker win, or play lynch the top suspect?

The dcmort lynch is certainly a logical one, but it's also boring. I'd prefer to see the town lose after a good day of back and forth debate than win after turning this into an easy vote without any pressure on anyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also tend to lean against the boring win.

If dcmort is scum, it's actually more fun to lynch him last because it's still mysterious whether he is or not. Plus, his active partner is more dangerous and needs to go and we should be discussing who the heck that is.

So you'd actually be thinking Ferret because he placed the killing (in this case) vote on Visorslash, and also because he then advocated for a no lynch which would help his team win?

That also works.

I see the logic and would therefore be willing to endorse a Ferret lynch today.

BSmith or Ferret? Both? Or just one, plus morty?

[LazyMcCrow]

I also tend to lean against the boring win.

If dcmort is scum, it's actually more fun to lynch him last because it's still mysterious whether he is or not. Plus, his active partner is more dangerous and needs to go and we should be discussing who the heck that is.

So you'd actually be thinking Ferret because he placed the killing (in this case) vote on Visorslash, and also because he then advocated for a no lynch which would help his team win?

That also works.

I see the logic and would therefore be willing to endorse a Ferret lynch today.

BSmith or Ferret? Both? Or just one, plus morty?

Ferret is still the towniest of my suspects. His post above actually makes him seem townier not scummier ie. I believe that he hadn't read the post about double voting so whats the current tally? My vote on Visor, BSmith on me, Visor on BSmith and Ferret on ...Ferret? I don't see how that benefits town if it stays like that - unless mort shows up. We need to lynch today unvote: Visor vote: BSmith.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scum sometimes vote before reading, especially if the only thing they're concerned with this round is the tally.

Tally was:
Three one-shot votes on non-ferret targets, none on Ferret or dcmort.

His move was a no brainer if he's scum.

But, I had already stated that the person who places the killing vote without authorization is scum. So he blundered.

I'm not saying I'm 100% certain he's scum, but there is strong evidence to suggest that he's acting exactly as he would if he and dcmort are scum mates.

Everything that has happened so far follows that line. There is no exonerating evidence on Elite Ferret. In fact, the argument you use to exonerate him is the same argument I can use to incriminate. That means it is a null tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, I am feeling it.

It's rare that Tincow and I agree, but when we do it's freakin' magic.

I strongly endorse Elite Ferret for the lynch today. His behavior is unambiguously scummier than BSmith's.

There is evidence that he's playing for any lynch today as long as it isn't himself: (voting without reading)

There is evidence that he's playing against the town (repeating the seemingly incorrect serial killer theory, advocating a no lynch today which loses against mafia)

As such, there's actual positive evidence incriminating Ferret.

There's no actual evidence BSmith has done or is doing anything wrong. His votes and vote switches seem more normal. Ferret's do not.

My gut and my brain are in sync. Elite Ferret is the red guy who must die.

Final answer, Regis.

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Elite Ferret

[LazyMcCrow]

guts and brains alignment? Zombie Pizza magic? I don't know. The vote without reading didn't seem so scummy to me, but the self vote does smack of panic. If he takes his vote off himself that bring it back to a tie though, so if BSmith is working with EF they can both switch last minute right? atm its a 2 v 2 tie between BSmith and Elite Ferret!

[BSmith]

Based on this, and his voting this round only, one can conclude that BSmith's list o suspects looks like this:

Most-least likely:

1) LazyMcCrow on a scum team of 2.
2) Visorslash on a scum team of 2.
3) Elite Ferret on a scum team of 2.

And, given his votes, he probably is accusing:

1) LazyMcCrow and Visorslash of being on a scum team together.
2) LazyMcCrow of being a SK
3) Visorslash of being a SK

BSmith, am I interpreting you correctly? Do you think Lazy and Visor are on a team together? You are assuming a team, after all, and they're your top 2 suspects.

You are therefore willing to lynch either one today instead of yourself. Yes?

Yeah, I’d say that is a pretty good interpretation of my suspect list from earlier today. The one caveat being that I just didn’t have enough read on EF to go one way or the other. I also don’t see the SK only scenario given the write-up explanations, so I discounted that as a possibility.

I am in agreement with you about EF given his posting since then, though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thanks, BSmith. I appreciate you returning to give us a fighting chance.

Lazy, at this point I think we need to convince you. You'll be forcing the tie, Visor and BSmith versus Elite Ferret, and that's only if I can convince Visorslash to change his vote. And that's only if he comes back.

If you change your vote that makes things simpler.

[White_eyes:D]

Not if his partner is dcmort.

IMO, the previous write-up clearly states there are two scum left on the red team.

Wait a minute....TinCow has a really good point here. There has only been one red kill since the start of the game. I think dcmort is scum but has been inactive since the start of the game, it explains why there has been two of them but only one red kill each and every night. I feel stupid for not seeing that sooner.

The safest choice for town would be to lynch dcmort and try and guess who the last scum is next phase but....ATPG and TinCow think it would be boring sooo....