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    I think 'values' is a good term for what 'the right' would use to describe itself.

    It is good, but if you take it a step-further with a description like: Daddy-Knows-Best, it summarises it up more fully. Values only go so far to explaining it.

    The political left would be more Equality. if anything, the counter of the right with Daddy-Doesnt-Know-Best.
    It's the "left" in the USA who are usually the nanny state party (especially with regard to soda/junk food/safety/etc.) Of course the right goes in for that with being anti-drugs (though the left isn't much better), but it doesn't seem to be such a big thing for the right.

    For the right, it does seem like opposition to drugs is often based on 'values' which helps explain why (in terms of party policy) alcohol is allowed and pot is bad.

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    Whenever I'm in doubt I allways look at akin, cheyne, Bush, Romney and Palin, then I know america's republican party are Stupid-evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    I think 'values' is a good term for what 'the right' would use to describe itself.



    It's the "left" in the USA who are usually the nanny state party (especially with regard to soda/junk food/safety/etc.) Of course the right goes in for that with being anti-drugs (though the left isn't much better), but it doesn't seem to be such a big thing for the right.

    For the right, it does seem like opposition to drugs is often based on 'values' which helps explain why (in terms of party policy) alcohol is allowed and pot is bad.

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    There is a big difference between the right here and in the US. Over here in the Netherlands the right furiously anti-conservative really. Right means liberal over here. That's of course just in theory they will get in everyone's bed in practise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    There is a big difference between the right here and in the US. Over here in the Netherlands the right furiously anti-conservative really. Right means liberal over here. That's of course just in theory they will get in everyone's bed in practise
    Since when does right mean liberal in the netherlands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    Since when does right mean liberal in the netherlands?
    Since always. I know it's confusing but the conservatives are much more leftwing than the liberals here ideologically. Remember it's the Netherlands nothing really makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    Since when does right mean liberal in the netherlands?
    It doesn't. We have the VVD over here. It's right-wing liberal, largely comparable to the German FDP, and which likes to advertise itself as the liberal party. It's currently the largest party and holds the office of prime-minister at the moment.
    We also have a smaller liberal party called D66 (12 seats out of 150 total), sometimes included among the left-wing parties but which really is quite centrist overall. Our resident green party (even smaller) also has some left-liberal themes, but more generally they're a loose coalition of left-leaning idealists.

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    As for the original topic, it's a tough question. If we generalise, the "moderate right-wing" politicians of different countries consist of conservatives and right-liberals. Nationalists as well. But if we want a general overarching term to describe them we'd have to exclude fascists, extreme libertarians and whatnot.

    I'd go for the term "pragmatic".

    Reason: it's generally how the Right of any given nation likes to advertise themselves. The Right usually argues against perceived "social engineering" of society. Likewise, they often argue against increasing taxes for higher income earners or companies on the grounds that it would be counter-productive. Regardless of the arguments for or against these political positions, it sounds like the common denominator between the various right-wing parties across countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    As for the original topic, it's a tough question. If we generalise, the "moderate right-wing" politicians of different countries consist of conservatives and right-liberals. Nationalists as well. But if we want a general overarching term to describe them we'd have to exclude fascists, extreme libertarians and whatnot.

    I'd go for the term "pragmatic".

    Reason: it's generally how the Right of any given nation likes to advertise themselves. The Right usually argues against perceived "social engineering" of society. Likewise, they often argue against increasing taxes for higher income earners or companies on the grounds that it would be counter-productive. Regardless of the arguments for or against these political positions, it sounds like the common denominator between the various right-wing parties across countries.
    Take 5 minutes and listen to their youth party. Pragmatic isn't exactly the word to describe them.
    Besides, removing the extremes are probably a poor idea to get to the core. The commies are "more equal than others", but you can still see that equality is a driving force, even in an unequal dictorship.

    Masculine and feminine has some points (fascism in particular has a very strong specific masculism, which you can often see in modern ring-wing populist parties as well), but I don't think it's all of it. The left isn't very feminine for example. It's possible it has to do more with gender roles. The right is more prone to men got their place, females got theirs, while the left is more blurry when it comes to that.

    Fragony, the left are prone to root for the underdog. In the west, islam is more of an underdog than feminism currently, which is why the priorities can look odd.

    The right is often fond of lowering taxes. Outside it being rich people's influence, I'm thinking it has more to with a disagreement on who and what the money is spent on rather than the taxing itself. Agreed, or it that a wrong assumption?

    The role and nature of the state differs a lot between the right and the left.

    The right has traditionalism (in it broadest sense) and nationalism as two major driving forces. It was those two I was thinking about when placing values as the common denominator, which also fit other common right-wing traits. Any other big descriptions that fit the right very well?
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    I also put nationalism at #1 in my first post, no disagreement there

    Edit, your assumption is right by the way
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