Well yes but that is the difference he's asking for no, what's a manager and what's a leader.Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
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Well yes but that is the difference he's asking for no, what's a manager and what's a leader.
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Frags, it M2TW character skills.
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Stupidious Me (inc)
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A good leader leads you to war.
A good manager explains you why you go to war
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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A classic bone of contention.
Old theory on leadership was "trait" centered -- i.e. that leaders were born leaders. This research is mostly pooh-poohed today.
More recent research suggests that leadership is a product of the interaction of the leader's skills (mostly communication-centered) and the particular situation faced by the collective in question. So, a charismatic "my way or the highway" type could work very well for a nascent organization founding a new industry, but would fit poorly for an established organization trying to control costs in a mature industry during tough economic times.
Most folks enjoy charismatic leadership and the sense of "being on a mission" with an "energetic team" -- think NASA during the Moon Race or Alexander's campaign prior to the destruction of Persia. The problem with this approach to leadership is that it does not institionalize well. Weber, for example, downgraded charismatic leadership heavily in favor of the ratio-legal rules approach of the bureaucracy. Weber did this not because charismatic leaders couldn't lead, but because there was no stability -- if the leader no longer had a good answer for the situation or if the leader became ill, everything could come apart.
The problem is that there are very few leaders who are well-skilled at being a charismatic leader, but then fully capable of shifting categories and enacting/enabling appropriate institutions to handle the changed situation generated by their own earlier leadership success. Some leaders are so skilled in both areas that they can make such a transition (Caessr Dictator likely could have aside from that problem with steel poisoning; Buonaparte was also a brilliant administrator whose law code is still in use). Other leaders seeking this transition must no when to back off/share leadership with other's whose talents are different (Augustus' genius was mostly bureaucratic, but he had won the loyalty of a charismatic leader of troops, Agrippa, to handle those things he didn't do as well).
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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Great leaders are for fascists.
Hand me that manager, please.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Ever see the film Brazil?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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I was thinking something similar actually, or to formulate it a bit more: Facism likes to appeal to charisma.
And to go into it a bit more a good manager with charisma is a really great leader, so it's the charisma where the big difference are. So authority tied to the person and the abillity to make people respect and follow you.
I'll take the one with manager skills 4 times out 5 and the exceptions are when you're in desperate need for someone to drive a change, rather than simply going with flow skillfully. And those times when the leader knows how to delegate at least one really important person.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
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Great leader minus charisma gives you a good manager?
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A great leader promises you heaven on earth a great manager makes it happen?
Ja-mata TosaInu
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A good manager can use resources to their full ability, a great leader inspires people to reach their full ability.
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No, but charisma is the heavy weight trait due to how people normally looks at it. If you got both, you're a great leader, not a good manager in how you're usually described, but you can have horrible managing skills and still be a great leader.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
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